Mar 10, 2009
How accurate were your younger self’s ideas about your older self’s life?
When you were in high school and college what did you hope or expect to do as an adult?
Did that happen?
Mar 10, 2009
When you were in high school and college what did you hope or expect to do as an adult?
Did that happen?
Category: Miscellanea, Questions
Theme based on Derek Punsalan's Grid Focus.

I’ll start:
I wanted to have my doctorate by my mid-20s and become a theology prof.
Nope, didn’t happen.
I did finish college a couple years ago, though, so I got that going for me.
I wanted to own a restaurant and smoke pot.
Now, I have a theology degree and work in small group ministry with a church.
I wanted a large family, but not live in the suburbs, and to publish a magazine on Christianity & the arts. Or, in any case I did *not* want to throw myself into the yawning maw of American corporate life.
Well, God’s blessed us with six kids and we live (for now anyhow) on the UWS of Manhattan. And I’m a relatively minor cog in the country’s 25th largest corporation.
I wanted God-following, successful children. I have one who most likely won’t finish high school due to poor choices (poor parenting?)
I wanted to get into sales and possibly the brokerage business.
Today I’m getting my Master’s in ESL Education.
I’d be working in corporate law right now while driving away from my large home in my very expensive car. The nanny would be on her way with the 2 kids to their college prep school.
Yeah. Well, I’ve been a stay at home, homeschooling mom of three girls for 18 years having had my first daughter all of 2 weeks after graduating college. And since my husband is a public school teacher and coach, the home is not quite what you’d call large. I’m so grateful that He chose to put an end to all my plans. How high are His ways!
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,
declares the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:8-9
In high school, I wanted to be a ninja. Thought of going to St. Olaf but joined the Navy instead to tour Europe on a submarine.
I guess I have never really been given insight into my future. I finished my nuclear/electrical engineering degree four years ago. Thought I would work at a nuclear power plant somewhere.
Now I am finishing my nursing degree to become a RN here in May. I was thinking about becoming a nurse anesthetist but realized I was making an idol of it because of “glory” and the money. The Lord place me where He will is my prayer and desire.
I still am in college. Never thought I would be at this college though.
Oh brother!
I always wanted to be a full-time mom, and that’s what I’m doing. But I really, truly thought I’d be *good at it!* I thought I’d have the home where all the neighborhood kids hung out and would be close friend and confidant of all my neighbors. I guess I thought I’d be my mom.
Instead I’m kind of a lousy housekeeper, I don’t know what to say to the neighbor’s kids, I’m the only mom on the block who’s not close to the other moms, and I haven’t begun to live up to the principles of parenting that I would like to say I subscribe to.
Life can be very humbling. God has been merciful to do that for me. And so far, by His mercy, my kids are okay.
In HS, I wasn;t saved and I had not idea what I wanted to do with my life.
Thank God, I got better than I deserved by a factor of infinity.
Abraham:
We all want to be our fathers at some point. Of course, we could do far worse than that, but it’s a good place to start. If we asked them, I suspect they would say we could do much better.
In college I wanted to do something that required the least amount of work for the most amount of pay…
I wanted to travel, and have a lot of girls around me…
I wanted to party in the VIP rooms of Vegas…
Praise God, He did not give me what I “wanted” or deserve…
I now work at a church, have 2 kids and an amazing Godly wife.
Most importantly I have Jesus as my joy and that I didn’t see coming at all!
When I was young (pre-high school actually) I thought I’d end up never getting married (I was very shy) and being stuck in a boring but well paying career, like accounting or MIS.
God had other plans! I ended up getting married young, at 18, to an amazing godly man and becoming a graphic designer. My life is far from lonely or boring!
Going through our public school system, becoming a mom was never once encouraged. In fact, it wasn’t even mentioned (exception: Biology and watching The Miracle of Life). I was in all AP and advanced classes. I was planning to be a CEO with a nanny.
I’mnow a home educating mom to four little boys.
In junior high I wanted to be a deejay and I said I would never take a job that required me to take work home with me. Ha, ha, I became a teacher and brought bags of work home with me every night for twelve years. I loved it so much it didn’t even seem like work.
I ruled our a few things before deciding on an education major. I ruled out writing because my grandma said journalism was a man’s world and I thought only people from great big cities could write books. However, I have had the chance to write for a few magazines, and there are a few books in my file cabinet waiting to be published.
I ruled out music because I didn’t think a girl could really make a living at it. Yet for the past few years I have made more money teaching part time in my private studio than I did as a classroom teacher.
Some of these things I pursued while waiting to achieve my real dream. All I ever really wanted to be was a wife and mom. Happily, I have been that for almost 20 years:-)
i am exactly where i thought i would be…it almost makes me feel too predictable.
Beth, I can so identify with you. I’m so grateful for the things the Lord is doing in my kids’ lives, and that he lets me be a part of it.
i wanted to be a famous singer of some sort either on Broadway or through pop music.
God ruined me for the gospel and I am so glad.
I work at a state college and plant a church/lead worship on the weekends.
I wanted to be a rock star.
Now I’m a substitute teacher in Minneapolis and a photographer.
I wanted to be a professional volleyball player and spend all of my free time surfing. Now I am a missionary in West Africa. The only thing that remains from my dream life is lots and lots of sand.
So far, everything has happened that I hoped to happen, by the grace of God. In high school, I hoped to marry, have a family, become an engineer to support my family, and eventually go to seminary to train to be in ministry. To date, I’m married, with two kids, working as an engineer and training at RTS for ministry sometime down the road.
I wanted to be a ‘punk rawker’, travelling the world with my famous ‘punk rawk’ band.
Now I’m Assistant Pastor of a church in Lincoln, UK!
When I was in grade school I wanted to be an elementary school teacher. I knew I wanted to go to the college my dad and several of my aunts and uncles attended, which I did – majoring in Bible and Elementary Education. It’s funny though, I knew in my freshman year that I did not want to teach. Yet for some reason I did not change my major.
I also knew for certain that I’d meet my future husband at that college, but that did NOT work out! For most of my college friends it did, which made it sort of frustrating as I packed up my things after that last semester.
I didn’t see myself leaving Minnesota traveling around the country as a nanny for 3 years and then meeting my now husband in Southern Maryland! We are just about to move to West Virginia (hubby’s home state) and hoping to start a family soon. I thought I would at least have a couple of kids by this time (age 28) but I’m entirely happy at the timing of everything.
Life is full of twists! :)
I thought I would be a high-school English teacher. Instead, I produce a Christian radio talk-show and lead worship at my Church.
i wanted to be a mom forever. i’m 27 now and have been a mom for 4 years…livin’ my dream, baby! :P i never expected i’d be adopting already, though. praise God.
the biggest shocker is how i still don’t feel ready for all this (marriage, kids, adoption)… i wonder when i’ll feel “old enough” :) when i was little i thought being in your late 20s, almost 30, was SO adult. i think after my kids are grown i’ll feel old enough to be a mom.
I wanted to make copious amounts of money and be in the business world.
Now, my wife and I are sustained each month, by God’s grace, as I am in school working toward a Biblical Studies degree.
I want to be in full-time ministry for the rest of my life.
I was living in Haiti as the son of pentecostal charismatic missionaries never wanting to leave for college. I left for college, got married, had a baby, am now attending a conservative baptist seminary. But I am still heading back to Haiti with my wife. She is now an M.D. and I will be an M.Div. We have the 1-2 punch
I thought by now I would have several degrees in music and would be a composer/conductor for some professional ensemble.
I sell tax and accounting software for a living.
I do have one degree in music, but that took a lot out of me. Maybe I’ll go back sometime…
In high school I wanted to be an artist, live in the country and grow my own marijuana with my “future” wife and my dog. I never took a language class in school because I didn’t think I’d ever need to. I never wanted to learn any Spanish out of pride.
I ended up going to college for graphic design in Pittsburgh, reading my Bible, experiencing a profound conversion and repentance from a self-righteous and “evan-jelly-bean”, antinomian lifestyle to become an evangelist. I’ve experienced my worst fear thousands of times more than I ever dreamed – being rejected by almost everyone. But that doesn’t matter anymore since I have the joy and peace and love of serving Christ, who saved a filthy wretch like me and gave me the greatest satisfaction of knowing Him and His grace, and spreading that to others in any way possible.
I’ve also been spending the last year studying Spanish and sometimes a little bit of other languages, because I meet so many non-English speakers in Philadelphia. I love it and can’t wait till I can understand and speak it like a Latino (my level of pride has come way down).
I wanted to graduate from a prestigious university, become a pediatrician, get married, and have some kids.
I made it to the prestigious school, but met my husband early. We got married after he graduated and had to transfer to where he got a job. I’m now at a not-at-all-prestigious state school, studying speech language pathology, and loving it.
In high school, I thought I wanted a job related to home economics (florist, decorator, chef, caterer, etc.) and then I would quit to get married and be a homeschool mom. In college, I thought I would be an ESL teacher in the U.S. or abroad. Now I have had my B.A. in English for four years, I work in accounting for a Fortune 500 company, and I teach ESL in the evenings. In August, I plan to return to school for my M.A. in TESOL.
i hoped to write curriculum for schools. i was an ed psych major.
nope. graphic design and communications instead.
this was the plan:
go to college in SC (where I am from), meet mister wonderful sometime in school, graduate, marry within a year or two after college, be a stay-at-home wife & mom, probably around the corner from my (&probably his) parents – just like my parents did.
Praise Jesus, he had a far richer life in store for me than I could imagine!
He moved me to MN – LOVE it here.
I’ve worked for a college ministry for 5 years – probably the best job I possibly could have had.
While I’d still love to be a wife & mom sometime, I wouldn’t change a THING about my life thus far. The friendships I’ve experienced probably would not have been possible had I been married before now. PLUS – I cringe when I think of the “me” 5 years ago getting married… yikes, for all involved.
When I turned 14, I wrote a letter to my-24-year-old-self with all kinds of questions in it about what my life was like. (mostly about boys and children) None of it was the way I had imagined it would be and certainly my 34-year-old self would be quite a shock to that 14-year-old girl.
Anyway, I sometimes think I should do that again. It was fun to read the letter and think how much my vision can change in ten years.
Good thing for me that God is unchanging.
I wanted to be an elementary teacher, which I was for 4 years. I never thought I would be teaching my own children, at home, though. What a blessing!
I never thought I would marry my best friend, though. At least I didn’t think that right away. He knew all along….. What a blessing!
I think many times of the paths my life *could* have taken…and didn’t. Praise His Name!
I’m out of the ordinary: I expected to be involved in youth ministry (or some official church service) and work as an occupational therapist. I do both.
I wanted to get married to my girlfriend and live a happy comfortable life.
Then I started going to John Piper’s church.
Now I’m single and planning to live overseas.
Since I was 12, I’ve wanted to be a wife, and a stay at home mom. If I was going to work, I wanted to be a lawyer or a nurse anesthetist.
Instead, I’m 23, single and marriage doesn’t seem to be looming in the near future, though the hope is still just as strong.
As for work, I am a public accountant. I hope that this career path that the Lord has led me on will serve my future family and/or in the church in years to come.
I entered college Pre-Law, but after 1 semester I felt the Lord calling me to change to a Bible major with plans to become a missionary.
After college, I spent a year on the mission field followed by 3 years in different secular jobs. Then the Lord opened the doors for me to go to law school!
It’s amazing to me how God sometimes asks you to give up something for Him, only to give it back to you later on.
In High School I wanted to be a Computer Engineer working for some corporation like IBM or HP or Microsoft…
In College I wanted to have my MDiv by age 28 and be either on the missions field or equiping the saints in the local church…
The first happened, the second… not even close to receiving the MDiv.
at 25 I hoped to be a successful business women with multiple degrees; maybe have the possibility of a husband on the brink (if he didn’t slow my career down.) Kids, of course, would come a couple of years later.
Now, I am married, stay at home mom to a 14 month old. I did graduate with a double major in college. And I’m only 23.
I don’t make plans, I just work hard for God wherever I find myself and follow God’s plan wherever it leads me.
I was told I’d be a youth minister and musician in the Baptist church. I ended up being a writer, editor, and musician in the church. I’m now a pastor who writes on the side.
It was very surprising and gratifying to be in an almost completely creative line of work for 13 years.
Nope! didn’t happen, Praise be to God!!!
I was going to be a career woman with maybe one child. I was a feminist who was going to break the glass ceiling.
BUT THEN… God interfered and by His grace I was saved and I became a happily married, mother of 4 and am joyfully awaiting the birth of my first grandchild! :)
considering I just graduated in 2007 I would say a lot has changed…. I was going to go into the army , I wanted to have my drivers license, and eventually go to Africa on a missions trip (and I am pretty sure I wasn’t saved when I had this idea…weird)
.. so far where I am at now in 2009 I didn’t go to the army even though I had a departure date, I went to bible college, got married, got pregnant, and lost my first son at 23 weeks gestation, and all the while still don’t have my drivers license…
I wanted to be married at 20 and have my first baby at 23. I’m exactly three months away from being 23 and marriage and kids are not even on the forseeable horizon. God’s plans were different (and better) than mine.
I wanted to be a nurse. I did NOT want to be in the ministry (I’m a PK/MK). I am a nurse and wife to a pastor. Life is SO much better than I could have ever imagined. By God’s grace!
I was sure to be single, in India, serving God by ministering to orphans, far from America, my family, and a comfortable life.
I am married, a stay-at-home/homeschooling mom to three little boys (and hoping for more!) living a comfortable life within 10 minutes of all my family.
Maybe real life is more mission than I ever thought.
I never wanted to marry. Contemplated quitting high school several times just so I could stop focusing on myself and do missionary work instead.
I have been married for five years and have almost four kids, all of which are napping at the moment.
I still can’t help but to make future plans that I know will probably never come to fruition.
I wanted to be a lawyer, married at 26 yrs old to an executive at a Fortune 500 company and have 2 kids, 1 boy, 1 girl. I was single until 38yrs old. Now married to a Physical Organic Chemist, without children. I mentor teenage girls. God has put me right where He wants me and someplace I NEVER thought I would be, but I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! I am truly thankful to be living out His will for my life.
Jeremy Buehler:????
“I wanted to get married to my girlfriend and live a
happy comfortable life.
Then I started going to John Piper’s church.
Now I’m single and planning to live overseas.”
What happened to your girlfriend? Was she not converted? Amazing story of providence.
When I was a kid I had dreams of being a famous singer. In high school I had one goal – to study abroad in college. God was leading me there without me knowing, because that’s where I was saved – though I had a very hard time living abroad. I felt God’s calling to go abroad again after graduation but once again had a really hard time adjusting, so I came home. I always thought I’d love living abroad… now I’m waiting to see what God has for me next. Maybe it’s time to start singing? :)
I imagined myself as a Southern Baptist pastor’s wife with about nine children who would never even consider taking on a “real” job.
As it is, I’m married to a PCA school teacher. I homeschool our four girls. We’re done having children as far as we know and I do have a part-time job working from home.
My 15-year-old self would look at my now 35-year-old self and tsk tsk me.
I’m okay with that.
I wanted to be married to a nice guy who has a nice job. I wanted to be a stay-at-home mom with a college degree. I wanted to have a life based in reality.
I am married to a more-than-just-nice guy who has a less-than-ideal job. I am a stay-at-home mom with a college degree. And my life exists in a reality I didn’t know existed when I was 17.
My earliest career aspiration was cheer leading. I think I’ll leave that broken dream where it lies, and continue my existence as a church receptionist.
Among many other things, I wanted to be a Sniper for the FBI.
Now I’m a full time Film Student, part time janitor.
When I was a kid I said that I was going to grow up to be a pastor, when I got older I said I was going to be an electrical engineer, then I said that I was going to be a pastor, then I went to engineering school, and now I am getting ready to apply to seminary…
so…
We’ll see.
My younger self’s ideas were way off. In high school I thought I would be a pediatric orthopedic surgeon. I would get married and have six kids (I had them named already; I will spare you the list). My family and I would volunteer in orphanages across the world in our free time. I am not exaggerating. I dreamed all of this up and recorded in my senior year final project, an all about me book. It’s going to haunt me forever, unless, I convince my mom to burn it. I really don’t know what universe I was living in. My freshman year of college I nearly fainted while volunteering at the blood bank. I changed my major to business, the children who need medical care are much better off. I am working full time at my family’s business (in high school I NEVER wanted that) at the present no husband, 0/6 kids. I laugh writing this, can you imagine what God thought when I told him my plans?
this is humbling.
As a college student, I think I have everything planned-but lately the Lord has been showing me again and again that many are the plans in a mans heart but the Lord directs His steps. :) So good to know I’m not in control and His plans will prevail and mine are dust.
Currently my plans are to get my degree in religion here at undergrad and then go to Nursing school, work for a few years and then missions with marriage and a family after nursing should He will ….and being a stay-at home mom. It probably won’t be exactly how I have it planned out, We’ll see what the Lord has planned. :) I know it’ll be greater than what I’d have planned. :)
I expected to be a father and husband. I am. I expected that I’d be handsome. Two out of three ain’t bad.
I wanted to do all the things I do now, only much better and grander.
I wanted to be a perfectly content and submissive wife. Now I’m a wife. And submission and contentment are goals, if not always realities.
I wanted to be a really really amazing mom. Now I’m a mom. But of the “trying to keep up” variety.
I wanted to do research and writing for causes that were close to my heart. Now I “research” and “write” (if you want to call it that :) for my very humble blog.
I wanted to be a missionary. Now I’m thankful to have gone on some short-term mission trips and hope to do it again someday.
I wanted to write a lot of music and get much better at the guitar and piano. Now I sing infrequently on the worship team.
I still want to be the first part of all those things. By God’s grace, I’m waiting on Him and working on me.
For a long time I was a femi-Nazi, sworn off of marriage (or at least one where I didn’t wear the pants), and definitely not gonna have kids.
Once God had softened me a bit, I thought I was going to live in New York City and pursue my career in voice pathology with side performance of my own. Maybe I’d be okay with marriage if it was the right guy who made lots of money. Maybe a kid.
Now, I can’t imagine not spending every day with my amazing, caring husband, who writes an amazing blog. And I have 3 children, with no plans to stop anytime soon. Crazy how God changes us.
I was going rescue the creative arts (esp drama) for the furthering of the gospel. I was never going to get married and I was going to travel a lot, possibly on mission.
God said no…. probably because it was really all about me and not Him. Also I got married.
Pre-college, I wanted to work in a ministry overseas, to be married to a single, Christian babe who would serve people with me, and then go get a graduate degree at some fancy place.
Then, I went on a mission trip and realized that I hated missions altogether.
Beginning college, I wanted to go into the public schools and be the consummate teacher who rocks students world with his love and desire for them to learn the word of God.
Then, I was told by professor that I was going to fail, and it ticked me off enough to cause me to change majors from education to English.
Mid-College, I realized that, no, in fact, I wanted to be a missionary; that my experiences on the previous mission trip were just bad experiences; that missions was the thing for which I was made; that I really didn’t have any greater plans than to serve God in such a way, so I pursued them and imagined myself serving overseas somewhere, again, with some hot, Christian babe.
Post-college, I was lonely and broken and really thought God wanted nothing to do with me because of the bad decisions I’d made just out of the gates of college into the race of life.
Yesterday, I just got back from teaching overseas at the El Camino Academy in Bogota, Colombia. I’m a youth pastor a hop, skip, and a jump from graduate school (Wheaton College). And the more I think about the fact that I’m doing the very thing I’ve always wanted to do, the more I just want to jump and dance.
(edit: I should have adjusted my first paragraph above. I never want to be married to a “single, Christian.” Hopefully, when I am married, I’ll remove that little adjective from her life for good.)
I grew up in a very tiny town, never saw the outside world, and had pretty limited horizons. I wanted to be in the ministry with my husband. That was all I could dream up. I had no other plans because I just didn’t know what to think.
Then revival suddenly struck my church, over a half million people came to see it, I met an amazing man from 3 states away who came to experience it. We married 7 years ago, now both work from home, make plenty of money and work extensively in the same powerful church with all of our free time.
I pinch myself every day because it is so much better than I could have ever dreamed up. AND we have two kids, are debt free, and still are in love. God totally revamped our marriage in His Presence about 11 months ago and it is in tip top shape!
hm . . . i think in high school i wanted to go to journalism school for four years and then be a writer of some sort, and travel around, and somehow, somewhere in my mid-20s eventually get married and have kids.
in early college, i didn’t know what i wanted, and wondered why i was still even going to school. i also figured there was no rush to settle down and maybe i’d do missions for a while.
by late college, i really wanted to be done with school, and i thought i was going to go into editing/publishing.
somehow i ended up engaged to be married and enrolled in a five-year Ph.D. program before i turned 22. i don’t know how it happened, honestly.
saw myself as a vet doing a mixed animal practice. not married, with dogs and a small farm. Just doing animals and being content with them.
Though I’m told I once told my mom that I would make a good pastor’s wife. (I don’t recall that)
I ended up married to a pastor with one child.
My home life in high school was so painful, I wanted to do just about anything to escape it. I couldn’t really see living past 27. So basically, everything is a bonus. I think I wanted to get through college at all costs, be super successful and respected, and have everything as neat and tidy as possible: my house, my body, my car, my job, etc.
I moved 500 miles away for college, and couldn’t decide: nursing? occupational therapy? law? art teacher?
Now nearly 15 years past my freshman year of college, I praise God for: Jesus arresting my heart and my life, nearly 13 years of marriage to my high school sweetheart and wonderful hubby, and 3 beautiful kiddos. I thank Him for the 9 years of college classes that did not result in a degree (yet) and for living in the not so neat and tidy hood in far away Minneapolis–for some wise purposes He has that I don’t know.
All of it better than I could’ve asked Him for or imagined.
I wanted to be a junkie. I became one. I did it big time. Now I’m saved and finishing my bachelor’s in Social Work. You know, the whole break the chain thing….First male to go past college in family for quite a few generations…
I’d say all the glory is Christ’s, cuz I’m lazy outside of serving Him….
Is anyone glad they couldn’t see what was coming?
I am. That’s a good reminder for me because I sure don’t know what’s coming now. But I can see how God has pursued me through unpredictable and often unwanted circumstances. Blows me away.
I thought I would have committed suicide by now. Now I teach English overseas, teach missions classes, and am getting married this summer.
I have never been so glad to be so wrong.
As a kid, I always thought adults must have it so easy. They had all the money and all the answers.
Now I realize adulthood is really quite different than that. I don’t have either money or answers, and usually am alright with that.
I also thought I’d die at 27, and feel truly blessed with each of the 9 years that have passed since then.
@ Jenny: YES. I am so glad God has only shown me a step or two at a time; I would have absolutely panicked and bolted otherwise.
In high school I had zero intentions of going to college. I wanted to develop a traveling ministry with a team of people who would lead worship through the arts. I would also be a freelance writer.
I wound up connecting with a fantastic prayer ministry, attending ministry school, and gaining a heart for teaching and preaching (something I never thought I could do–I was super shy growing up). I’m now in training to teach Bible classes at the school I graduated from, and I teach my first real class in about a week. I’ve done a lot of writing for various parts on our website. And I have been involved with a few groups who are into the arts.
So yes, kind of, but it doesn’t look at all like I expected.
I forget if I’ve weighed in on this one or not yet. The short term memory function is definitely not what it used to be.
I became pretty much what I thought I would be, but I do admit to still being restless in the career category.
I thought I would be involved in sports journalism in some capacity.
I was on the right track, getting a degree in journalism from Penn State and then taking an internship with the Chicago Bulls.
But a few months before the internship started I met Jesus, and He changed my desires. I realize that for many people coming to Christ does not produce a change in their employment, but I sensed that He was calling me into ministry.
Now I’m serving as a pastor in a little town in New Jersey.
I vowed there would be no PhD; now I’m halfway through it :)
essentially, yes—it happened. It was remarkably like what I’d expected in many ways.
Though the mundane texture of everyday life is hard to grasp when you are dreaming about your future in high school.
Life is actually far better than I could have hoped in so many areas.
In grade school, I wanted to be an entomologist. In high school and college, my dream was to be a wife and mother.
I never thought I still be single (27), but I have 29 little critters that I tend to…I teach fifth grade! Many times I feel like an entomologist and mother! :)
I wanted to be a professional baseball player, bounce around in the minors (I tried to be a realist), then land a coaching job somewhere
This has been fantastic to read all these stories. Praise God for His sovereignty! His ways are so much higher than ours…
In High School, I wanted to make weapons for the government.
In College I wanted to be a missionary.
Now I’m an electrical engineer at a medical company. I’m thinking about going into the pastorate.
Since I’m still in college and I have too many things I’d like to do…and economy makes jobs look scarce, we shall see. But that is okay because I think my life shall be exciting whatever happens.