Comments on: The problem with disliking Jesus-is-your-boyfriend music is that Jesus is (y)our boyfriend. http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/ Experiments in getting to the point. Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:29:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Nathan http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-49448 Nathan Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:18:14 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-49448 Umm. Wow. Jesus is also our brother. In a sense (ie we too are children of God). That alone is enough to make me uncomfortable with the "boyfriend" language. To use that sort of descriptor seems to focus on just one characteristic of a multifaceted relationship. Umm. Wow.

Jesus is also our brother. In a sense (ie we too are children of God). That alone is enough to make me uncomfortable with the “boyfriend” language.

To use that sort of descriptor seems to focus on just one characteristic of a multifaceted relationship.

]]> By: Schmitty http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-48272 Schmitty Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:39:31 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-48272 The current one. He specified *conservative* Christian framework. While it is true that many "Christian" couples no longer hold to such a standard, many DO. (And personally, I think it's just that more people are calling themselves Christians than actually live it.) I do agree with Jared's statement though. The current one. He specified *conservative* Christian framework. While it is true that many “Christian” couples no longer hold to such a standard, many DO. (And personally, I think it’s just that more people are calling themselves Christians than actually live it.)
I do agree with Jared’s statement though.

]]> By: Myrddin http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-47660 Myrddin Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:25:36 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-47660 My problem is that Jesus is not your boyfriend. Love, spouse, etc. are not the same as the contemporary 'boyfriend' model of reality -- which, in my opinion anyway, is a degradation of the lover and the beloved. My problem is that Jesus is not your boyfriend.

Love, spouse, etc. are not the same as the contemporary ‘boyfriend’ model of reality — which, in my opinion anyway, is a degradation of the lover and the beloved.

]]> By: ryan http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-47590 ryan Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:05:46 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-47590 perhaps because the shepherd/sheep motif is found throughout scripture. ill give ya $5 if you can find one mention of Jesus as our boyfriend.... perhaps because the shepherd/sheep motif is found throughout scripture. ill give ya $5 if you can find one mention of Jesus as our boyfriend….

]]> By: Marianne K http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-47575 Marianne K Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:53:52 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-47575 Thanks Abraham. I like this post. You know... when a church is based on music and not on the Scripture, there’s no doubt their "products" lead people astray. Whenever I watch or listen to their "products", it's hard for me to distinguish whether they are worshipping God or the worship band(or the "worship culture"). It's heart-wrenching... They don't even KNOW who God really is, and yet they hold conferences and build a college to teach how to write worship music... or how to clothe the church with fantastic stage lighting. Thanks Abraham. I like this post.

You know… when a church is based on music and not on the Scripture, there’s no doubt their “products” lead people astray.
Whenever I watch or listen to their “products”, it’s hard for me to distinguish whether they are worshipping God or the worship band(or the “worship culture”).

It’s heart-wrenching…

They don’t even KNOW who God really is, and yet they hold conferences and build a college to teach how to write worship music… or how to clothe the church with fantastic stage lighting.

]]> By: carissa http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-47571 carissa Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:53:08 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-47571 first, the boyfriend/lover thing gives <i>me</i> the creeps, and i'm not even a dude. second, i think we're looking at this kind of backwards. Christ is called the bridegroom not because HE is like an earthly husband/boyfriend/lover, but because HUSBANDS are (supposed to be) like HIM! i mean, when the Bible uses this kind of "lover" language, it's precisely because earthly love, marriage, and yes, sex <i>are metaphors themselves</i> for the REAL lover, husband, and union in heaven. i think the reason JiMB songs are weird is because they reverse that analogy and make Jesus a swoony guy we can hold hands with, instead of reminding us what a <i>real</i> lover looks like---the kind that dies a bloody death on a cross for his bride. first, the boyfriend/lover thing gives me the creeps, and i’m not even a dude.

second, i think we’re looking at this kind of backwards. Christ is called the bridegroom not because HE is like an earthly husband/boyfriend/lover, but because HUSBANDS are (supposed to be) like HIM! i mean, when the Bible uses this kind of “lover” language, it’s precisely because earthly love, marriage, and yes, sex are metaphors themselves for the REAL lover, husband, and union in heaven. i think the reason JiMB songs are weird is because they reverse that analogy and make Jesus a swoony guy we can hold hands with, instead of reminding us what a real lover looks like—the kind that dies a bloody death on a cross for his bride.

]]> By: Amanda Beattie http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-47568 Amanda Beattie Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:47:43 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-47568 I am of the opinion that it is right to view Jesus as a Bridegroom to each one individually--<i>within</i> the context of the corporate Bride. It's not all about me, but all the same, I do have a real, personal, deep love with Him. I believe the Song of Songs is fine to apply as an analogy to Christ and His saints (by way of Eph 5). I really enjoy songs that speak of an intimate love with Him. I say that to set up where I'm coming from that I also admit to not liking JiMB songs. For me, it's not even the 'romantic' language that's the tip off--it's how much Bible is or is not in the lyrics. Related to that, it also changes drastically with what we define "love" to be. Love is not a warm fuzzy feeling (although it does often feel good!); love is the glad willingness to utterly lay one's life down. Our culture thinks of love as clingy, needy, what can I get out of it--the Bible defines love as complete self-sacrifice with no strings attached. Suddenly, "Oh how He loves us" or "How I love You, Jesus" does not conjure up a picture of date night, but rather a Cross. "Beauty" is another term that is often misused... we're not saying, "Wow, Jesus, You should be on GQ," we're saying, "Your heart, attributes, and character are wonderful". Being deeply and personally in love does not diminish who He is, or what love actually means, or the corporate reality of Christ and His Church. It's possible to use really emotional, personal language and still honor His awesome majesty and glory. If we're just making up sentimental language that could easily be played over any secular venue without anyone realizing it was talking about the Lord, then that's a problem. Jesus is not our boyfriend. But He is loving, personal, and should inspire a deep emotional response from us. My rather lengthy $0.02. Hope it made sense! I am of the opinion that it is right to view Jesus as a Bridegroom to each one individually–within the context of the corporate Bride. It’s not all about me, but all the same, I do have a real, personal, deep love with Him. I believe the Song of Songs is fine to apply as an analogy to Christ and His saints (by way of Eph 5). I really enjoy songs that speak of an intimate love with Him.

I say that to set up where I’m coming from that I also admit to not liking JiMB songs. For me, it’s not even the ‘romantic’ language that’s the tip off–it’s how much Bible is or is not in the lyrics.

Related to that, it also changes drastically with what we define “love” to be. Love is not a warm fuzzy feeling (although it does often feel good!); love is the glad willingness to utterly lay one’s life down. Our culture thinks of love as clingy, needy, what can I get out of it–the Bible defines love as complete self-sacrifice with no strings attached. Suddenly, “Oh how He loves us” or “How I love You, Jesus” does not conjure up a picture of date night, but rather a Cross.

“Beauty” is another term that is often misused… we’re not saying, “Wow, Jesus, You should be on GQ,” we’re saying, “Your heart, attributes, and character are wonderful”.

Being deeply and personally in love does not diminish who He is, or what love actually means, or the corporate reality of Christ and His Church. It’s possible to use really emotional, personal language and still honor His awesome majesty and glory. If we’re just making up sentimental language that could easily be played over any secular venue without anyone realizing it was talking about the Lord, then that’s a problem. Jesus is not our boyfriend. But He is loving, personal, and should inspire a deep emotional response from us.

My rather lengthy $0.02. Hope it made sense!

]]> By: JoeS http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-47562 JoeS Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:31:15 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-47562 Where so many JIMB songs fail is that they focus almost exclusively on MY response and ignore who Jesus is, what He has done and what He will do. A focus on self interpreted through emotional language exclusively is a sure recipe for disaster. Where so many JIMB songs fail is that they focus almost exclusively on MY response and ignore who Jesus is, what He has done and what He will do. A focus on self interpreted through emotional language exclusively is a sure recipe for disaster.

]]> By: Jonathan http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-47561 Jonathan Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:18:47 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-47561 I really dislike the phrase 'boyfriend' when refering to Jesus. I don't think that it puts Christ where He ought to be in our lives. I think there is a big difference in meaning between the terms Bridegroom and boyfriend. There is a difference between the relationship between a bride and bridegroom, and boyfriend and girlfriend. At least from what I have seen and studied. And I do not like JiME songs at all! I think that they have strayed from glorifying God and focusing on who God really is. The Psalms show deep meditation by the Psalmist on who God is, according to the Bible. (I do not want to offend those who have taken deep thought into their songs, but I disagree with the balance that JiMB songs have) I really dislike the phrase ‘boyfriend’ when refering to Jesus. I don’t think that it puts Christ where He ought to be in our lives. I think there is a big difference in meaning between the terms Bridegroom and boyfriend. There is a difference between the relationship between a bride and bridegroom, and boyfriend and girlfriend. At least from what I have seen and studied. And I do not like JiME songs at all! I think that they have strayed from glorifying God and focusing on who God really is. The Psalms show deep meditation by the Psalmist on who God is, according to the Bible. (I do not want to offend those who have taken deep thought into their songs, but I disagree with the balance that JiMB songs have)

]]> By: walt http://twentytwowords.com/2009/11/05/the-problem-with-disliking-jesus-is-your-boyfriend-music-is-that-jesus-is-your-boyfriend/#comment-47555 walt Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:29 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5081#comment-47555 agreed. as one currently engaged, i both prefer this to any sort of "boyfriend language", for various reasons others have already expounded upon. and for me, being engaged has really opened my eyes to how we're supposed to feel about the 2nd coming. i want my wedding to be here <b>now</b>, and with even greater desire should i want Him to be here <b>right now</b>. agreed. as one currently engaged, i both prefer this to any sort of “boyfriend language”, for various reasons others have already expounded upon.

and for me, being engaged has really opened my eyes to how we’re supposed to feel about the 2nd coming. i want my wedding to be here now, and with even greater desire should i want Him to be here right now.

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