Comments on: Of course wind makes cold seem colder, but the windchill factor is still ridiculous. http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/ Curious | Cute | Comical | Crazy Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:31:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: John Mahan http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50530 John Mahan Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:14:56 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50530 Hmm, its not like they took a survey asking people, ""How cold do you feel with the 2 mph wind?" According Environment Canadas website, "Sensors were fixed to participants' forehead, cheeks, chin and nose, as well as to the inside of one cheek, to measure skin temperature and heat loss. ' It seems to me that windchill is more tangible than temperature alone, because the rate of heat loss is what we experience rather than temperature and wind separately. Hmm, its not like they took a survey asking people, “”How cold do you feel with the 2 mph wind?”

According Environment Canadas website, “Sensors were fixed to participants’ forehead, cheeks, chin and nose, as well as to the inside of one cheek, to measure skin temperature and heat loss. ‘

It seems to me that windchill is more tangible than temperature alone, because the rate of heat loss is what we experience rather than temperature and wind separately.

]]> By: Tanner http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50491 Tanner Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:21:18 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50491 To quote my previous post on windchill: "I believe windchill is a pretty well determined thing. And it makes good sense as it can be determined mathematically and applies to the average person. It also has some bearing on when frostbite occurs, which can be pretty important in the cold." To quote my previous post on windchill: “I believe windchill is a pretty well determined thing. And it makes good sense as it can be determined mathematically and applies to the average person. It also has some bearing on when frostbite occurs, which can be pretty important in the cold.”

]]> By: MiGa http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50437 MiGa Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:23:13 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50437 Why tell us what the ACTUAL temperature TWC? We only want to know how cold its gonna feel, not whether or not we can freeze some element. Why tell us what the ACTUAL temperature TWC? We only want to know how cold its gonna feel, not whether or not we can freeze some element.

]]> By: Daniel Kirk http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50421 Daniel Kirk Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:03:37 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50421 Bah! Who needs temperature scales to know it's cold, or for that matter, math, or numbers? Or even any words beyond 22? Bah! Who needs temperature scales to know it’s cold, or for that matter, math, or numbers? Or even any words beyond 22?

]]> By: Joe Donaldson http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50283 Joe Donaldson Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:08:27 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50283 As I remember it, windchill is the rate at which heat will be lost from unprotected skin. In that regard, it is a very real way to measure the danger of being outside under-dressed or without hat, gloves, etc. On a personal note, I was a Mpls Tribune carrier delivering papers on foot one morning when the air temp was -34! Fortunately that day there was very little wind! Gotta love Mpls! As I remember it, windchill is the rate at which heat will be lost from unprotected skin. In that regard, it is a very real way to measure the danger of being outside under-dressed or without hat, gloves, etc. On a personal note, I was a Mpls Tribune carrier delivering papers on foot one morning when the air temp was -34! Fortunately that day there was very little wind! Gotta love Mpls!

]]> By: Abraham Piper http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50281 Abraham Piper Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:31:53 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50281 Bah! Bah!

]]> By: Josh S http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50279 Josh S Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:30:52 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50279 Abraham have you been convinced of the virtue of The Windchill Factor yet, or should we keep trying? :) Abraham have you been convinced of the virtue of The Windchill Factor yet, or should we keep trying? :)

]]> By: RogerS http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50276 RogerS Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:13:40 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50276 Here is a pretty good explanation of how it works (pg 112 and 113). href="http://books.google.com/books?id=KI9iPMsTy2AC&lpg=PA112&ots=-yzDaD95jt&dq=heat%20transfer%20boundary%20layer%20wind%20chill&pg=PA113#v=onepage&q=heat%20transfer%20boundary%20layer%20wind%20chill&f=false" Here is a pretty good explanation of how it works (pg 112 and 113).

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]]> By: Bruce http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50274 Bruce Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:04:50 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50274 Tying into what Andy wrote, wind chill has a very good scientific basis. The point isn't to tell you how you should feel, but to relate the dangers of frostbite, etc. The wind has the ability to remove body heat and it's not incredibly complicated to calculate the effect of wind. Don't you think you could, rather easily, measure the difference in how long it takes hot coffee to cool to a specified temperature in a room with no wind compared to how long it would take to cool with a fan blowing on it? Tying into what Andy wrote, wind chill has a very good scientific basis. The point isn’t to tell you how you should feel, but to relate the dangers of frostbite, etc. The wind has the ability to remove body heat and it’s not incredibly complicated to calculate the effect of wind.

Don’t you think you could, rather easily, measure the difference in how long it takes hot coffee to cool to a specified temperature in a room with no wind compared to how long it would take to cool with a fan blowing on it?

]]> By: Joel http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50273 Joel Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:53:35 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50273 I don't really care what a thermometer says, I care whether my skin will feel like a frozen knife is slicing it up if I go outside without a parka on. Windchill gives me a better idea of the answer. But this is coming from a lifetime 'sotan, so I definitely have preconceived notions. I don’t really care what a thermometer says, I care whether my skin will feel like a frozen knife is slicing it up if I go outside without a parka on. Windchill gives me a better idea of the answer.

But this is coming from a lifetime ‘sotan, so I definitely have preconceived notions.

]]> By: staffaction http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50266 staffaction Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:12:49 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50266 I think your critique is more against what is called "real feel" today, which seems to be utter nonsense. But as some commenters have said above, windchill can be quite helpful. For instance, schools would be in session at 10 degrees, but close for the day if the windchill was negative twenty (yet still ten degrees). The kids will be fine outside or waiting for the bus at 10 degress no wind, but the "chill factor" really does make a difference. I think your critique is more against what is called “real feel” today, which seems to be utter nonsense. But as some commenters have said above, windchill can be quite helpful.

For instance, schools would be in session at 10 degrees, but close for the day if the windchill was negative twenty (yet still ten degrees). The kids will be fine outside or waiting for the bus at 10 degress no wind, but the “chill factor” really does make a difference.

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]]> By: jennapants http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50250 jennapants Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:21:24 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50250 yeah. women DO care about thermal conductivity. after many complaints from a certain personpants, my husband bought a heated toilet seat. butt (heh) it was returned. it wasn't cordless. scary. that said, this leads me to wonder: "What's the 'toilet seat index'?" http://www.amazon.com/KOHLER-K-4649-7-Heated-French-Toilet/dp/B0014YJHN2/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1260476276&sr=8-15 p.s. AP, you gotta teach me how to link a word. that looks ridiculous...in addition to being a link to a heated toilet seat. yeah. women DO care about thermal conductivity. after many complaints from a certain personpants, my husband bought a heated toilet seat. butt (heh) it was returned. it wasn’t cordless. scary.

that said, this leads me to wonder: “What’s the ‘toilet seat index’?”

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p.s. AP, you gotta teach me how to link a word. that looks ridiculous…in addition to being a link to a heated toilet seat.

]]> By: jennapants http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50249 jennapants Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:15:01 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50249 E.E. your tweets about BALMY thanksgiving days kill me. i might have to unfollow you for the winter. we only use the word "balmy" in MN in reference to 25 degree weather...after it's been below zero for a few weeks. and I'm not talkin' windchill. E.E. your tweets about BALMY thanksgiving days kill me. i might have to unfollow you for the winter. we only use the word “balmy” in MN in reference to 25 degree weather…after it’s been below zero for a few weeks. and I’m not talkin’ windchill.

]]> By: Kevin Ring http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50248 Kevin Ring Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:13:36 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50248 We call them "mustache-crystals". We call them “mustache-crystals”.

]]> By: Kevin Ring http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50247 Kevin Ring Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:13:05 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50247 You probably hate Celsius too. We should just throw out thermal conductivity as well. The bathmat and the bathroom floor are the same temperature! Who cares that one <i>feels</i> colder than the other?! I'll tell you who cares: women, that's who. The way I see it you can either choose to try and understand how women feel or you can dismiss it. Both will leave you frustrated; but the latter will leave you sleeping on the couch. What were we talking about again? You probably hate Celsius too.

We should just throw out thermal conductivity as well. The bathmat and the bathroom floor are the same temperature! Who cares that one feels colder than the other?! I’ll tell you who cares: women, that’s who.

The way I see it you can either choose to try and understand how women feel or you can dismiss it. Both will leave you frustrated; but the latter will leave you sleeping on the couch.

What were we talking about again?

]]> By: Ken http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50236 Ken Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:49:04 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50236 I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows about the "windshield factor." I think my family down south call it that. I’m glad I’m not the only one who knows about the “windshield factor.” I think my family down south call it that.

]]> By: Josh S http://twentytwowords.com/2009/12/10/of-course-wind-makes-cold-seem-colder-but-the-windchill-factor-is-still-ridiculous/#comment-50232 Josh S Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:58:35 +0000 http://twentytwowords.com/?p=5557#comment-50232 I'll pray for you to accept the Truth. http://twentytwowords.com/2009/08/15/what-would-we-call-the-stat-that-is-to-time-what-windchill-is-to-temperature/ I’ll pray for you to accept the Truth.

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