It bothered me the number of girls that made it a dichotomy between faith (read Judeo-Christian view of guided creation) and science (read unguided Evolution). We don’t get to choose if the Law of Thermodynamics is true or not. Truth and Reality is not defined by our predispositions. It is defined by what is real. Genesis 1 is not a mechanical how to, it is a narrative. It is true but does not prove or disprove the evolutionary mechanism. These girls are a a perfect example of how our culture completely misses the point. The essential question is creation guided or unguided? That’s the debate. The evolutionary mechanism is actually a secondary point. Now the question of human origin makes it a bit more tricky. The science is still out on that one. Yes teach the evidence. Teach the theories and hopefully young people will explore it more on their own. Also God is quite able to still reach people with ideas that may not be quite right regarding origins.
Ok, this is funny – most act like evolution is not currently being taught in school. Most schools do teach about evolution. Apparently these gals weren’t listening in school. What is not taught in schools is creationism, which many of these gals act like that is the norm, which clearly it is not. What accounts for this?
This link shows where evolution is taught, although I disagree with its conclusion that Wyoming teaches it poorly or not at all. I went to school in Wyoming and we did a unit on evolution every year from 9th-12th grade. http://bigthink.com/ideas/21147
I’m amazed that people actually watch this crap. That’s what amazes me. Or that we are so “un-evolved” that we are still holding pageants to judge women by their outer beauty? Wow…just wow.
You are absolutely right. This is total crap. The question should be – “should creationism be taught in schools?”. And the answer is: Heck no! Creationism is not science. Its belief system; blind faith. That’s not how the science of “evolutionary theory” works. The theory gets tested and retested at organismal, cellular, and molecular (DNA/RNA/protein) level. And every time, the so called “theory” gets stronger and stronger. Creationism goes down the drain if you start making any sort of minimally reasonable argument.
All these girls don’t have a clue as to what evolution really is and should definitely stay away from any science-related policy making decisions in the government.
I wasted 15 minutes of my time but hopefully made some people think.
Everyone exercises faith, every single day. How do you know your senses are reliable? By faith. How do you know you’re not living in a Matrix/Inception style dream world? Faith. How do you know that other people are real, and not just figments of your imagination? You cannot prove any of these things, you can only assume that they are true.
Ironically, if evolution is true, and our minds are the product of “blind” chance, then there is actually no plausible reason to believe that abstract constructs such as logic and math are even reliable. The only worldview where logic, math, science, reason, etc make sense is classical Christianity.
The real issue isn’t whether or not it should be taught. The issue is how it should be taught. The problem today is that it is taught as fact, not as theory.
I understand what you mean, but I think it’s important to remember that in science a ‘theory’ has to have abundant evidence and no significant evidence against it. So it’s not some colloquial hypothesis, it’s something that we have tested over and over again and which continues to withstand scrutiny.
In science there is no ‘fact,’ it’s impossible to prove something is a fact, that’s why gravity is a theory, not a scientific fact. We don’t go around saying ‘well gravity is just a theory.’
What bothered me in this video was all the ‘people should be taught both sides’ like there are two distinct sides to this issue. It’s not that simple. The evidence for evolution and the evidence for creationism are not equal.
I didn’t realize evolution had been tested over and over again, or that someone had come up with a rational explanation for how inorganic matter (wherever that came from) suddenly turned into organic matter.
I didn’t realize evolution had been tested over and over again
Then look for it. Knowledge doesn’t just crawl up and smack you in the face. Scientists make hypotheses, gather data, and confirm or deny the hypothesis. Evolution has been tested over and over and over and over. And over.
To say it’s been “tested” is a far stretch. By definition (macroevolution is about change over a long period of time), there is not (and cannot) be empirical evidence.
It seems to me that many of them don’t understand what the word “THEORY” means in the scientific context. Some of these women are confusing the definition of a theory (as in the Theory of Relativity) with the colloquial use of phrases like “In theory… xyz” or “Theoretically… xyz”.
I didn’t realize the idea that education is simply opinion formulation was so prevalent. I guess that’s one way for everyone to get A’s on tests. “But Miss Johnson, I don’t believe that 1+1=2, so you can’t mark my answer wrong! We’re all right as long as we truly believe it!”
Evolution is the result of atheistic materialism. Creationism is the result of Christian literalism. Both have the same evidence to deal with and the same tool (science) with which to test and interpret the evidence.
Are the stated opinions genuinely held by these women or are they responding in a way they think will best benefit their immediate cause? If politicians can corrupt their viewpoint for personal advantage, then why not also beauty pageant contestants? Maybe there is a problem with our social construct generally.
In a science class one should teach science. In a study of religions one should compare and contrast religions. In a bible study one should study and discuss the basic text and look for answers to spiritual matters. These types of study should be independent of each other.
Science and Religion are not opposites. They are complimentary. The subject of the former is the physical, and the subject of the latter is the metaphysical.
The ancient Greeks realized that, thousands of years ago. Ancient Greece was not only the birthplace of the most astute philosophers in the history of mankind, but of many exceptional scientists as well.
I find the fact that Americans still engage in such pointless, silly debates quite frustrating.
I’m amazed how many answered that it should be taught, but as an option, not the sole truth. These girls are smarter then we give credit.
Is it just me or does it seem like the contestants from New England are 10x more intelligent than those from the South?
Hollah!
It bothered me the number of girls that made it a dichotomy between faith (read Judeo-Christian view of guided creation) and science (read unguided Evolution). We don’t get to choose if the Law of Thermodynamics is true or not. Truth and Reality is not defined by our predispositions. It is defined by what is real. Genesis 1 is not a mechanical how to, it is a narrative. It is true but does not prove or disprove the evolutionary mechanism. These girls are a a perfect example of how our culture completely misses the point. The essential question is creation guided or unguided? That’s the debate. The evolutionary mechanism is actually a secondary point. Now the question of human origin makes it a bit more tricky. The science is still out on that one. Yes teach the evidence. Teach the theories and hopefully young people will explore it more on their own. Also God is quite able to still reach people with ideas that may not be quite right regarding origins.
Ok, this is funny – most act like evolution is not currently being taught in school. Most schools do teach about evolution. Apparently these gals weren’t listening in school. What is not taught in schools is creationism, which many of these gals act like that is the norm, which clearly it is not. What accounts for this?
This link shows where evolution is taught, although I disagree with its conclusion that Wyoming teaches it poorly or not at all. I went to school in Wyoming and we did a unit on evolution every year from 9th-12th grade.
http://bigthink.com/ideas/21147
Unfortunately, what the law says and what is actually the case are two different things.
“CreatioTism” and “knowledged”. Smarter than we give them credit for?
I couldn’t take any more after about 30 seconds.
Louisiana!
I’m amazed that people actually watch this crap. That’s what amazes me. Or that we are so “un-evolved” that we are still holding pageants to judge women by their outer beauty? Wow…just wow.
You are absolutely right. This is total crap. The question should be – “should creationism be taught in schools?”. And the answer is: Heck no! Creationism is not science. Its belief system; blind faith. That’s not how the science of “evolutionary theory” works. The theory gets tested and retested at organismal, cellular, and molecular (DNA/RNA/protein) level. And every time, the so called “theory” gets stronger and stronger. Creationism goes down the drain if you start making any sort of minimally reasonable argument.
All these girls don’t have a clue as to what evolution really is and should definitely stay away from any science-related policy making decisions in the government.
I wasted 15 minutes of my time but hopefully made some people think.
Everyone exercises faith, every single day. How do you know your senses are reliable? By faith. How do you know you’re not living in a Matrix/Inception style dream world? Faith. How do you know that other people are real, and not just figments of your imagination? You cannot prove any of these things, you can only assume that they are true.
Ironically, if evolution is true, and our minds are the product of “blind” chance, then there is actually no plausible reason to believe that abstract constructs such as logic and math are even reliable. The only worldview where logic, math, science, reason, etc make sense is classical Christianity.
The real issue isn’t whether or not it should be taught. The issue is how it should be taught. The problem today is that it is taught as fact, not as theory.
That is why I liked Mississippi’s answer. And she’s even from the deep south go figure!
I understand what you mean, but I think it’s important to remember that in science a ‘theory’ has to have abundant evidence and no significant evidence against it. So it’s not some colloquial hypothesis, it’s something that we have tested over and over again and which continues to withstand scrutiny.
In science there is no ‘fact,’ it’s impossible to prove something is a fact, that’s why gravity is a theory, not a scientific fact. We don’t go around saying ‘well gravity is just a theory.’
What bothered me in this video was all the ‘people should be taught both sides’ like there are two distinct sides to this issue. It’s not that simple. The evidence for evolution and the evidence for creationism are not equal.
I didn’t realize evolution had been tested over and over again, or that someone had come up with a rational explanation for how inorganic matter (wherever that came from) suddenly turned into organic matter.
This doesn’t mean that you can plug God in for an unknown.
You can’t plug God into a system that by definition rejects his existence.
I didn’t realize evolution had been tested over and over again
Then look for it. Knowledge doesn’t just crawl up and smack you in the face. Scientists make hypotheses, gather data, and confirm or deny the hypothesis. Evolution has been tested over and over and over and over. And over.
To say it’s been “tested” is a far stretch. By definition (macroevolution is about change over a long period of time), there is not (and cannot) be empirical evidence.
It seems to me that many of them don’t understand what the word “THEORY” means in the scientific context. Some of these women are confusing the definition of a theory (as in the Theory of Relativity) with the colloquial use of phrases like “In theory… xyz” or “Theoretically… xyz”.
Yikes…
Yeah that was pretty annoying. Maybe they should be given basic definitions before they are asked to answer this question.
I didn’t realize the idea that education is simply opinion formulation was so prevalent. I guess that’s one way for everyone to get A’s on tests. “But Miss Johnson, I don’t believe that 1+1=2, so you can’t mark my answer wrong! We’re all right as long as we truly believe it!”
This is such an amazing and blatant view of demographic intelligence. Evolution is science. Creationism is opinion.
Evolution is the result of atheistic materialism. Creationism is the result of Christian literalism. Both have the same evidence to deal with and the same tool (science) with which to test and interpret the evidence.
Are the stated opinions genuinely held by these women or are they responding in a way they think will best benefit their immediate cause? If politicians can corrupt their viewpoint for personal advantage, then why not also beauty pageant contestants? Maybe there is a problem with our social construct generally.
In a science class one should teach science. In a study of religions one should compare and contrast religions. In a bible study one should study and discuss the basic text and look for answers to spiritual matters. These types of study should be independent of each other.
If these girls were any more PC, they’d start running Windows.
the louisiana one was VERY FUNNY
Science and Religion are not opposites. They are complimentary. The subject of the former is the physical, and the subject of the latter is the metaphysical.
The ancient Greeks realized that, thousands of years ago. Ancient Greece was not only the birthplace of the most astute philosophers in the history of mankind, but of many exceptional scientists as well.
I find the fact that Americans still engage in such pointless, silly debates quite frustrating.