HA! That’s hilarious. I thought I was the only one. That one cartoon crosses my mind whenever I think about logging. Its amazing how even as a child I was horrified at the thought of such waste. Good to know I’m not the only one who carries that image around in my head.
At the old Georgia-Pacific company we used to boast that all trees had to be cut within 5″ of the ground and that we used everything but the tree’s shadow, and we were working that.
Was that Bugs Bunny? I remember that episode being with 2 squirrels finding back their home! Oh and thanks for the memories, now I’ll have to find all my old VHS again.
I remember watching that cartoon, and my dad, who was a logger at the time, being absolutely pissed that they could have such blatant misinformation targeting kids. So many tree huggers these days saw that cartoon. So many don’t realize trees are replanted when cut down (in most countries), and are a crop just like wheat. Not to say the logging industry isn’t bad in some countries, but in America especially it is OVER regulated. That’s why we have so much disease in our forests. It will either be controlled by uncontrollable fire/disease, or it can be controlled by loggers and controlled burns.
The reason there is so much disease in the second/third/fourth generation forests is because most logging companies, other than the most progressive, re-plant single species, in straight rows, with a mind to harvest again. So when a disease rips through this one species, it destroys everything, instead of being stopped because of the neighbouring species which are not susceptible to whatever bug/fungus attacks a monocultured crop. You may be the one who is misinformed. The diseases of which you speak do not appear in untouched forests.
What about the pine beetle epidemic…especially in Rocky Mountain National Park. It is protected natural forest being decimated by these bugs. So…I disagree with your assessment that natural forests are less susceptible.
The pine beetle epidemic was caused by a combination of mild winters (not cold enough to freeze the larvae) and the fact that forest fires are not allowed to happen naturally. Fires are a vital part of the life cycle of the rain forest. Fire consumes debris and keeps insects like the pine beetle in check. There are a number of plant species that actually require fire in order for their seeds to germinate. Fires caused by lightning strikes are usually localized, don’t burn out of control and are extinguished by the rain. It’s when fires aren’t allowed to occur naturally that excessive amounts of dry debris accumulate over years and when a fire does start (usually from a carelessly thrown cigarette or campfire) that we see disasters happen.
actually d, it’s “It doesn’t look anything like a pine tree” or “It looks nothing like a pine tree”. Both give the same sentiment. What you have is a double negative there.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that they meant what they said. Double negatives aren’t invalid in English, just make sure you know what you are saying when you use them :)
Someone said it looks nothing like a pine tree. D disagreed, and said it doesn’t look *nothing* like a pine tree; a statement that is different in both meaning and tone from the version of the statement with the double negative removed.
That, plus the humorous taxonomic joke (“family resemblence”, yes, they are both from the plant family) could easily go over one’s head.
No trees were *directly* harmed in creating this structure, but a google search for “Polystyrene Environmental”, might make you wish they’d just used an actual tree…
Most all lumber is yellow pine anymore but this is definatly not pine. It is a hard wood and with out being able to look at the grain or smell it I would say Oak or Pecan.
I would like to clarify that, yes that is Oak, i’m a carpenter and spent my life on a small holding with our own self managed woods.
You can tell by the bark, colour and grain.
I hope this helps :)
P.S I almost roflmao @ teh fonz. Please just read the name he has come up with! A real tree, come on! I think I can safely say that that log came from a real tree!
its an icarus mactickourus a very rare specious in the fact that it has never been cut down into manual peices its funny they show this picture because not only is it fake its absurd someone actually thought this was a real ttree
The wood does look like Southern Yellow Pine, but the bark looks more like White Oak. Since this a “Sculpture” the artist may have combined the two species. This would make since as I don’t think the pine bark would hold together without some sort of substrate.
I especially like the rounded pieces that are used for a threshhold or a reducer when you transition a wooden floor to different rooms. Never thought about that!
Form follows function. A well designed item with a purpose can be art. Art is something that illustrates something. It is not required to have an actule practical application, yet is not barred from having one.
This is only one possible cutting pattern. Generally they try to get larger boards out of larger turnks and fill in the smaller spaces with what ever will fit. Trees larger than 24″ in diameter are reserved for plywood. Smaller trunks,down to about 6-8″, are called “chip and saw. They are used to make boards , including 2×4′s. Believe me, the lumber companies know how to maximize use of what they call “fibre”. The left overs are turned into “chips” to make chip board or into pulp.
This is not an actual depiction of the use of a single log. Do people really think that the production of lumber is really that accurate of a process? get real. This is simply an art piece.
Yes! The production of lumber is that accurate. New mills use lasers and computers to get every cent out of every log. Thin kerf saw blades reduce the amount of tree turned into sawdust, and then they use the sawdust too.
get off your high horse! Like you never use wood in your everyday use? Besides, the logging industry has changed dramatically. I’m not saying it’s perfect, but they are advancing at an incredible rate. recently they’ve found promising new techniques of clearing and replanting large areas in such a way that is (nearly) cost effective and has no dramatic effect on te ecosystem. Loggers aren’t the enemies.
the forestservice is the problem as long as they cut roads the peak runoff from rainand snow is going to make the peak flooding down stream much worst.
0-30 degree from the core is known as Plane sawn wood
30-60 degrees from the core is known as Rift Sawn wood
60-90 degress is known as Quarter-cut wood (has the little worm like markings on it) and is the highest quality would you can buy. 95% of all wood you see is Plane Sawn….
I worked in the bush in Northern Ont half my life, including sawmills. That’s an interesting art piece (and I’d love to own it) but our objective in the mill was to maximize 2X8, 2X6, then 2X4, 2X3…. and everything else went to the chipper to produce chips for a paper mill. No waste. The art piece shows extensive 0.5 X 1 (ish) produced from a section that easily would yield a 2X8, which is where the money is. Still… nice piece of work!
Okay I’ve believe I burned a lot of this up in Northern California, Lassen County – most prolific clean-burning wood we all call “Lodgepole” Pine. Named for the obvious reason, amazing to see a grove of them. They are incredibly straight and I’ve seen logs at 26″-ish diameter. 2 months in a dry summer up there will cure the wood to “popcorn dry” and we all use Blaze-King Stoves as back-up heat. (harsh winters – power outages) – Is still designated a wilderness area up here.
**Update after a Wikipedia search – AKA : Mendocino Shore Pine
I’ll wager I’m correct on this. It would very easy to pay $7 for a wood-cutting permit and go to a designated BLM forest up here and procure up to 3 cords (cord=4′x4′x8′cut logs) It would be VERY easy to find this length of a section perfectly straight.
That isn’t remotely true. I worked in the lumber industry. Just think about it why would they take the time to change the cutting size? That takes time. Time is money.
I’m amused by all these people who claim “This isn’t the way it’s cut” No? So you imagine that every tree from every species at every mill in the world cuts their wood the same way? Of course they do not. This is a symbolic response to the tree huggers who claim cutting trees is evil, and shows just one of an almost infinite number of ways a log can be sectioned.
Depending on the end use of a log (construction, furniture building, etc), which depends greatly on the species and quality of wood, any of those strategies will be used to maximize profit. Yes, modern mills use computer planning to maximize profit. This just shows one example, nothing more.
While a nice piece of artwork it is not indicative of the real world. I have to agree with the previous comments that time is money, thus they would not change the cut to save wood.
Because you asked to click like, I clicked dislike. I think to like is something users should be able to decide themselves, not something you should be begging for.
At school too, if we ask to go home 10 minutes early the teacher will deny. If we work hard (=make nice posts) and don’t ask it (=not ask for likes), he’ll often let us go 15 minutes early.
I do the exact same at websites. The more a website presses their newsletter in my face, asks me to like them on Facebook and Stumbleupon, or encourages me to share it on 45 social networks, the more I will dislike the website and it will be very unlikely that I will ever visit again or recommend it to a friend.
Look at qntm.org, great website. Incredibly simple, incredibly interesting, and I’m sure he gets enough visits. I often recommend the website to others, like now, while he never asked that of me a single time. Also I’ve shared more than one article on Google+ and liked more than one on Stumbleupon, simply because I like what he writes.
To all you city living tree-huggers: My neighbors had about 75 acres of timber[mixed hardwood]cut about 6-7 years ago and you can’t tell it was ever cut. The poplars grew first in about a year or two,then pines,then sweetgum,and now the oaks that were too small to cut have had enough room to grow. People who live in cities believe that once the trees are cut,nothing else will grow.Well,folks,they’re wrong!! lha
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don’t know why but this is rather class
Very cool … and nice to know that they don’t just shave each tree down to a single toothpick like on Bugs Bunny :)
HA! That’s hilarious. I thought I was the only one. That one cartoon crosses my mind whenever I think about logging. Its amazing how even as a child I was horrified at the thought of such waste. Good to know I’m not the only one who carries that image around in my head.
i usually think of the scene in the simpsons where homer’s watching bowling pins get replaced
Yeah, well I usually think of modern marvel-like bulldozers destroying the alien forrest I love.
a forest of aliens gives me a completely different mental picture…..like Mulder and Scully in some small town in West Virginia.
The scene in the simpsons where homer’s watching bowling pins get replaced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pkHmVGjpvc
At the old Georgia-Pacific company we used to boast that all trees had to be cut within 5″ of the ground and that we used everything but the tree’s shadow, and we were working that.
lol i love that!
if they still say that then that company is now on my top list of coolest places to work for.
Yeah or overgrown tailed smurfs on another planet
Was that Bugs Bunny? I remember that episode being with 2 squirrels finding back their home! Oh and thanks for the memories, now I’ll have to find all my old VHS again.
Funny, I remember it being a Tiny Toons episode, but with a single elevator button instead of a toothpick. I guess the concept was redone a lot.
That’s the one I always think of.
I remember watching that cartoon, and my dad, who was a logger at the time, being absolutely pissed that they could have such blatant misinformation targeting kids. So many tree huggers these days saw that cartoon. So many don’t realize trees are replanted when cut down (in most countries), and are a crop just like wheat. Not to say the logging industry isn’t bad in some countries, but in America especially it is OVER regulated. That’s why we have so much disease in our forests. It will either be controlled by uncontrollable fire/disease, or it can be controlled by loggers and controlled burns.
The reason there is so much disease in the second/third/fourth generation forests is because most logging companies, other than the most progressive, re-plant single species, in straight rows, with a mind to harvest again. So when a disease rips through this one species, it destroys everything, instead of being stopped because of the neighbouring species which are not susceptible to whatever bug/fungus attacks a monocultured crop. You may be the one who is misinformed. The diseases of which you speak do not appear in untouched forests.
Excellent comment.
What about the pine beetle epidemic…especially in Rocky Mountain National Park. It is protected natural forest being decimated by these bugs. So…I disagree with your assessment that natural forests are less susceptible.
The pine beetle epidemic was caused by a combination of mild winters (not cold enough to freeze the larvae) and the fact that forest fires are not allowed to happen naturally. Fires are a vital part of the life cycle of the rain forest. Fire consumes debris and keeps insects like the pine beetle in check. There are a number of plant species that actually require fire in order for their seeds to germinate. Fires caused by lightning strikes are usually localized, don’t burn out of control and are extinguished by the rain. It’s when fires aren’t allowed to occur naturally that excessive amounts of dry debris accumulate over years and when a fire does start (usually from a carelessly thrown cigarette or campfire) that we see disasters happen.
hehe cute!
Oh I thought that was an old Popeye cartoon…
great post, thanks.
anyone know what species this log is?
It appears to be a standard-issue pine. I could definitely be wrong though.
It looks nothing like a pine tree. its a hardwood, Elm or Oak
Well it doesn’t looking NOTHING like a pine tree, I think there’s a family resemblance.
*sigh, I wish I could edit my posts. it doesn’t look NOTHING like a pine tree….
actually d, it’s “It doesn’t look anything like a pine tree” or “It looks nothing like a pine tree”. Both give the same sentiment. What you have is a double negative there.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that they meant what they said. Double negatives aren’t invalid in English, just make sure you know what you are saying when you use them :)
Someone said it looks nothing like a pine tree. D disagreed, and said it doesn’t look *nothing* like a pine tree; a statement that is different in both meaning and tone from the version of the statement with the double negative removed.
That, plus the humorous taxonomic joke (“family resemblence”, yes, they are both from the plant family) could easily go over one’s head.
Yeah, what mark said. I was going to point that out, but he beat me to it.
Technically it isn’t a log at all. It is Polystyrene and resin… so it’s plastic. No trees were harmed in creating this sculpture.
No trees were *directly* harmed in creating this structure, but a google search for “Polystyrene Environmental”, might make you wish they’d just used an actual tree…
Most all lumber is yellow pine anymore but this is definatly not pine. It is a hard wood and with out being able to look at the grain or smell it I would say Oak or Pecan.
I would like to clarify that, yes that is Oak, i’m a carpenter and spent my life on a small holding with our own self managed woods.
You can tell by the bark, colour and grain.
I hope this helps :)
P.S I almost roflmao @ teh fonz. Please just read the name he has come up with! A real tree, come on! I think I can safely say that that log came from a real tree!
its an icarus mactickourus a very rare specious in the fact that it has never been cut down into manual peices its funny they show this picture because not only is it fake its absurd someone actually thought this was a real ttree
heh. absurd. what kind of idiot would think this was a real tree?!…oh :/
Well, my kind of idiot.
The wood does look like Southern Yellow Pine, but the bark looks more like White Oak. Since this a “Sculpture” the artist may have combined the two species. This would make since as I don’t think the pine bark would hold together without some sort of substrate.
I especially like the rounded pieces that are used for a threshhold or a reducer when you transition a wooden floor to different rooms. Never thought about that!
It’s log, it’s log, it’s big, it’s heavy, it’s wood…
it’s log, it’s log, it’s better than bad, it’s good!
it’s log, it’s log, so misunderstood :(
i think this has a deeper meaning, showing you how much do you use of these logs to make ur furniture….
I’m so over the planking thing.
I laughed. So hard.
this is not art.
You are quite the party pooper.
so, so very narrow minded
Is this not art? Not art, is this? Is art not this?
Stop dreaming, this is effective use of resources.
Y’ll find it in your living room somewhere.
Form follows function. A well designed item with a purpose can be art. Art is something that illustrates something. It is not required to have an actule practical application, yet is not barred from having one.
So 2×4′s don’t come from trees?
This is only one possible cutting pattern. Generally they try to get larger boards out of larger turnks and fill in the smaller spaces with what ever will fit. Trees larger than 24″ in diameter are reserved for plywood. Smaller trunks,down to about 6-8″, are called “chip and saw. They are used to make boards , including 2×4′s. Believe me, the lumber companies know how to maximize use of what they call “fibre”. The left overs are turned into “chips” to make chip board or into pulp.
I think he was being facetious, but like in alot of comments on here people are ruining perfectly good jokes by trying to be know-it-alls.
ROFLMAO!!!
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This is not an actual depiction of the use of a single log. Do people really think that the production of lumber is really that accurate of a process? get real. This is simply an art piece.
Yes! The production of lumber is that accurate. New mills use lasers and computers to get every cent out of every log. Thin kerf saw blades reduce the amount of tree turned into sawdust, and then they use the sawdust too.
meanwhile the poor tree is “thinking”, hey – couldn’t you have just not cut me down and appreciated my trunk that way?!
get off your high horse! Like you never use wood in your everyday use? Besides, the logging industry has changed dramatically. I’m not saying it’s perfect, but they are advancing at an incredible rate. recently they’ve found promising new techniques of clearing and replanting large areas in such a way that is (nearly) cost effective and has no dramatic effect on te ecosystem. Loggers aren’t the enemies.
the forestservice is the problem as long as they cut roads the peak runoff from rainand snow is going to make the peak flooding down stream much worst.
This is one clever and economical way to make use of those precious wood.
brillant !
Would interest me how many woods they needed to get a perfect piece of this sculpture …
I was hoping this was all from just the one log.. That would kind of defeat the point to the art if it was multiple.
Would they be so cavalier about cutting down trees if trees could scream?
Maybe, if they screamed all the time.
0-30 degree from the core is known as Plane sawn wood
30-60 degrees from the core is known as Rift Sawn wood
60-90 degress is known as Quarter-cut wood (has the little worm like markings on it) and is the highest quality would you can buy. 95% of all wood you see is Plane Sawn….
I actually ran a “Chip N Saw” for a sawmill…..we never got that much wood from one log. the largest log makes
2 2×12
2 2×10
2 2×6
4 2×4
anything else was cut after the fact and all 1x anything ruins a half of a 2x they just shave those down.
I worked in the bush in Northern Ont half my life, including sawmills. That’s an interesting art piece (and I’d love to own it) but our objective in the mill was to maximize 2X8, 2X6, then 2X4, 2X3…. and everything else went to the chipper to produce chips for a paper mill. No waste. The art piece shows extensive 0.5 X 1 (ish) produced from a section that easily would yield a 2X8, which is where the money is. Still… nice piece of work!
Okay I’ve believe I burned a lot of this up in Northern California, Lassen County – most prolific clean-burning wood we all call “Lodgepole” Pine. Named for the obvious reason, amazing to see a grove of them. They are incredibly straight and I’ve seen logs at 26″-ish diameter. 2 months in a dry summer up there will cure the wood to “popcorn dry” and we all use Blaze-King Stoves as back-up heat. (harsh winters – power outages) – Is still designated a wilderness area up here.
**Update after a Wikipedia search – AKA : Mendocino Shore Pine
I’ll wager I’m correct on this. It would very easy to pay $7 for a wood-cutting permit and go to a designated BLM forest up here and procure up to 3 cords (cord=4′x4′x8′cut logs) It would be VERY easy to find this length of a section perfectly straight.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1042551/posts
The Forest Products Lab did research on this in the ’70′s.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplrp/fplrp166.pdf
so where do 2×4′s come from. . .not a single one in the sculpture… :- )
impresive
It’s like Bordy Worlds.
That isn’t remotely true. I worked in the lumber industry. Just think about it why would they take the time to change the cutting size? That takes time. Time is money.
I’m amused by all these people who claim “This isn’t the way it’s cut” No? So you imagine that every tree from every species at every mill in the world cuts their wood the same way? Of course they do not. This is a symbolic response to the tree huggers who claim cutting trees is evil, and shows just one of an almost infinite number of ways a log can be sectioned.
Depending on the end use of a log (construction, furniture building, etc), which depends greatly on the species and quality of wood, any of those strategies will be used to maximize profit. Yes, modern mills use computer planning to maximize profit. This just shows one example, nothing more.
While a nice piece of artwork it is not indicative of the real world. I have to agree with the previous comments that time is money, thus they would not change the cut to save wood.
Regardless of the truth, it is still great art.
i hope they are going to do the right thing and replant this tree after the exhibit,,,,
I love this. I’m going to send it to my sister who works in a sawmill. I know that she has explained this quite a few times.
Because you asked to click like, I clicked dislike. I think to like is something users should be able to decide themselves, not something you should be begging for.
At school too, if we ask to go home 10 minutes early the teacher will deny. If we work hard (=make nice posts) and don’t ask it (=not ask for likes), he’ll often let us go 15 minutes early.
I do the exact same at websites. The more a website presses their newsletter in my face, asks me to like them on Facebook and Stumbleupon, or encourages me to share it on 45 social networks, the more I will dislike the website and it will be very unlikely that I will ever visit again or recommend it to a friend.
Look at qntm.org, great website. Incredibly simple, incredibly interesting, and I’m sure he gets enough visits. I often recommend the website to others, like now, while he never asked that of me a single time. Also I’ve shared more than one article on Google+ and liked more than one on Stumbleupon, simply because I like what he writes.
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wow. never knew this!! :) :) :)
I feel as if people are missing the point by trying to guess what tree this is or isn’t…
To all you city living tree-huggers: My neighbors had about 75 acres of timber[mixed hardwood]cut about 6-7 years ago and you can’t tell it was ever cut. The poplars grew first in about a year or two,then pines,then sweetgum,and now the oaks that were too small to cut have had enough room to grow. People who live in cities believe that once the trees are cut,nothing else will grow.Well,folks,they’re wrong!! lha
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