Hate to break it to you, but that myth was an extremely useful parable exploring the hubristic notion that people have real agency in the face of an inexorable universe, and reconciling people to the fact we don’t.
If there’s anything that annoys me more than dogmatic, literalist Christians, it’s Captain Buzzkills who can’t appreciate metaphor and aren’t capable of understanding how important “myth” is. It doesn’t matter how many wars Christians started or how many people they killed or how many billions of years ago the universe started; you should still be able to read, think and discuss these sorts of parables if you have a brain that functions with metaphor at all.
Which I assume yours should, since it’s highly unlikely you actually have any real idea what 15 billion years means besides “a lot”. Dismissing a myth because it’s a myth is as stupid as dismissing numbers because they’re numbers. Both are abstract, both only have meaning in context.
Choosing to not believe in God first comes from the notion that there is one–who you choose not to believe in. Therefore, atheism is a sham made by rebellious people so that they can believe they have some control over this world. Also, metaphors are helpful, and although there are countless metaphors in the Bible, there is archeological proof of certain events. Too, the big bang theory, despite what the latest college textbooks say, is still a “theory” as is global warming. In fact, global warming has proven to be stable over the past 100 years by qualified scientists according to the times, I believe. However, scientists are government funded. So, I wonder about other lies scientists have been paid to say.. Quit reading crap invented by those who wish to destroy history and control the people of the world–of Americans. But, if you are a college student and you absolutely have to read this shyte, have the nerve to correct it and dispute the details instead of being a sheep, a tool.
Your argument about atheism is circular. If they simply ‘choose not to believe in a god that they know exists,’ then they would, by definition, be non-believing Christians, or a similar monotheistic religion. If they refuse to believe that there is a god altogether, that is the definition of atheism. It isn’t acknowledging that there is a god that you simply choose not to believe in, but rather looking at the facts and deciding that there simply isn’t a greater being out there. Further, the big bang theory, which you went out of your way to point out as being a theory, is only a theory in the same sense that gravity is a ‘theory.’ There’s a significant amount of evidence that things happened the way scientists believe in the big bang theory, and very little to show otherwise. We simply call it a ‘theory’ because we can’t definitively prove that what we think is exactly how things happened, much like we call gravity a ‘theory’ simply because there are some aspects we don’t yet fully understand. Now, as you said, I’ve read what you have to say and corrected it rather than ‘being a sheep, a tool;’ I hope in the future you’ll take your own advice before you start spouting self-righteous nonsense.
Why I respond to these comments, I will never know. Something crazy drives me, because it’s impossible to have deep conversation on a frickin message board. Nevertheless…Francis Bacon and Rene Descartes are considered the fathers of scientific methodology. Both were quite devout believers. Read them. Sir Francis has some particularly wise words on “depth” of philosophical understanding.
” It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity.” (“Of Atheism
“)
Goa’uld…
You are my hero.
People also naturally have that same point of view.
Indeed. Wasn’t that the lie from the start? “Eat from this tree and you can be your own authority of right and wrong, true and false.”
Erm, hate to break it to you, but that story was a myth… the start was ~15billion years ago, and people have only existed for a tiny fraction of that…
Says you… And wow, might I add, irrefutable…
Hate to break it to you, but that myth was an extremely useful parable exploring the hubristic notion that people have real agency in the face of an inexorable universe, and reconciling people to the fact we don’t.
If there’s anything that annoys me more than dogmatic, literalist Christians, it’s Captain Buzzkills who can’t appreciate metaphor and aren’t capable of understanding how important “myth” is. It doesn’t matter how many wars Christians started or how many people they killed or how many billions of years ago the universe started; you should still be able to read, think and discuss these sorts of parables if you have a brain that functions with metaphor at all.
Which I assume yours should, since it’s highly unlikely you actually have any real idea what 15 billion years means besides “a lot”. Dismissing a myth because it’s a myth is as stupid as dismissing numbers because they’re numbers. Both are abstract, both only have meaning in context.
Well played sir, well played.
what you said
They could, it just wouldn’t be a monotheistic religion. Polytheism anyone?
Isn’t that Mormonism right there?
Exactly Andrew. No one is an atheist.
Hate to break it to you, some of us are atheists.
Choosing to not believe in God first comes from the notion that there is one–who you choose not to believe in. Therefore, atheism is a sham made by rebellious people so that they can believe they have some control over this world. Also, metaphors are helpful, and although there are countless metaphors in the Bible, there is archeological proof of certain events. Too, the big bang theory, despite what the latest college textbooks say, is still a “theory” as is global warming. In fact, global warming has proven to be stable over the past 100 years by qualified scientists according to the times, I believe. However, scientists are government funded. So, I wonder about other lies scientists have been paid to say.. Quit reading crap invented by those who wish to destroy history and control the people of the world–of Americans. But, if you are a college student and you absolutely have to read this shyte, have the nerve to correct it and dispute the details instead of being a sheep, a tool.
Your argument about atheism is circular. If they simply ‘choose not to believe in a god that they know exists,’ then they would, by definition, be non-believing Christians, or a similar monotheistic religion. If they refuse to believe that there is a god altogether, that is the definition of atheism. It isn’t acknowledging that there is a god that you simply choose not to believe in, but rather looking at the facts and deciding that there simply isn’t a greater being out there. Further, the big bang theory, which you went out of your way to point out as being a theory, is only a theory in the same sense that gravity is a ‘theory.’ There’s a significant amount of evidence that things happened the way scientists believe in the big bang theory, and very little to show otherwise. We simply call it a ‘theory’ because we can’t definitively prove that what we think is exactly how things happened, much like we call gravity a ‘theory’ simply because there are some aspects we don’t yet fully understand. Now, as you said, I’ve read what you have to say and corrected it rather than ‘being a sheep, a tool;’ I hope in the future you’ll take your own advice before you start spouting self-righteous nonsense.
Good explanation, Chris. As a scientist, misuse of the word “theory” by uninformed, ignorant people is one of my biggest pet peeves.
Why I respond to these comments, I will never know. Something crazy drives me, because it’s impossible to have deep conversation on a frickin message board. Nevertheless…Francis Bacon and Rene Descartes are considered the fathers of scientific methodology. Both were quite devout believers. Read them. Sir Francis has some particularly wise words on “depth” of philosophical understanding.
” It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity.” (“Of Atheism
“)
You are my hero, Chris.
So you’re saying Santa Claus is real.
I wish I had that many cats.
Janine, LOL!
Love how that comes after all the religious debate, haha!
I know! just when I had my fill of the holy wars, I scroll down to this. That’s some comedic timing.
That looks like my house, but with dogs lounging around instead…