It’s jerks like this that make all of Christianity look bad. His cheesy smile and “I still love you. Amen.” does nothing to soften his behavior, either. Like Doug said above, I wonder how many second time visitors they get, but also wonder how many stopped coming after this. The pastor of my church is NOTHING like this guy. We once had a guy fall asleep in church and start snoring–loudly. Pastor Joel, and most of the congragation, couldn’t help but softly laugh, so finally Joel told someone near the man the just gently nudge him and not make a big deal out of it. The man woke up and Joel went on preaching.
For the non-believers who have had bad experiences with people like this jerk, please know that not all Christians seek to judge and condemn others. We truly seek to know God and His desires for us, but we love our non-believing friends and family with all our hearts.
Yeah, my dad is a pastor. I’ve never seen anything like this guy before. I really can’t understand his harshness, not to mention downright unchristian rudeness. Hard to believe.
and the talkers unchristian rudeness to talk while the word of god is being spoken, that is ungodly, self righteous, selfish, rude behavior. his talking was obviously distracting the preacher, and was probably distracting those around the talker. it may have been nicer to pull him aside after the sermon and talk to him about it, but considering how he had to tell him to stop multiple times i doubt he would have stopped doig it, it was just downright disrespectful. im not even a christian and i see this.
Since when did GOD talk about a bankrupt cheese maker in Chicago? It was merely the word of a self righteous, egotistical windbag using god as an excuse to put HIMSELF on a pedestal, that was being talked through.
Seems to me like you’re the self righteous, egotistical windbag here, judging the quality of the speaker with the couple seconds of sermon you heard. Maybe you should go to church more often, because you seem like you need it.
To smarter than you too:
So it’s alright for everyone to judge the talker even though we don’t know what they were saying or the situation they were in, but its NOT ok to judge the pastor who was completely disrespectful to a member of his congregation?
And PLEASE do not tell people they should go to church. What about this video would make anyone want to go to church?? Do you not understand that videos like this and comments like YOURS are exactly what is turning so many people off to the idea of church and Christians?
Except you have no idea what the other guy was talking about. Neither nor the preacher knows whether it was a family emergency or something else. The preacher needs to get over himself and give respect if he wants to get any respect back.
I think speaking during a sermon is soooo rude. I applaud the preacher calling him out. I think he was assertive, brief and not overly harsh. He’s protecting God’s word. If you want to have a chit chat you might want to that somewhere else.
A friend of mine in high school was yelled at in a similar way from the pulpit for speaking during the sermon, what the preacher did not know was that her contact had something in it which caused her eye to feel like it was on fire. Looks can be deceiving. Being “slow to wrath” is still a qualification for elders.
As a preacher, I gotta say, there are loads of legit reasons why someone might have to lean over to a friend and say a couple of words, and that ain’t a problem.
But, when someone is having a full out convo whil your speaking, boy is that off putting, rude and hard to understand, and it happens way too often.
I’d never react like this guy, it does come off a little ungracious, and the ‘alter’ stuff is silly but we don’t know the nature of the guys ‘Talking’
If it was a visitor I would almost certainly say nothing, But if it was a regular I would try to get eye contact with either person in the convo and let it linger, usually does the trick…
1) In Jesus’ time the religious “preachers” of his day were the ones that had him executed.
2) He went into the temple (church) and overthrew money-changers tables (businessmen) just before they decided to execute him.
3) In Communist countries the preachers were the ones that most of the time informed the secret police of truly dedicated Christians. Then the Christians, from their congregation, would be routinely imprisoned/tortured/executed.
4) In America today pastors and preachers are like “sheep” on the outside but inside are “ravenous wolves” as Jesus said beware of. He said many teachers would come in his name, but would not be truly of him.
5) Many times in America preachers are exposed to be frauds. They are set in there positions by the governing bodies. This is similar to how the communist pastors get there. Businesses send a person into a church leadership position to better themselves through the constant guilt-trip that the pastors/preachers send about not tithing.
In conclusion, most of the pastors/preachers today in America (hopefully not all) are really just wolves looking for their next meal. Anyone with a heart that loves the one, true God of the Bible looks at these men in pure disgust. I know because I am one of them.
I would not say “most” preachers are wolves. I’d like to think that “most” preachers are sincere. Of the many pastors (about 50) I know personally I’d say a good 90% are humble, faithful and loving men. Of the 10% that are not I’d still say for the most part they are at least sincere. Maybe 1 out of 100 are true wolves, and they happen to get more press. Furthermore many preachers are bi-vocational. You have to make a lot of sacrifices to be a bi-vocational minister, and keeping your foot in the “real world” helps to promote humility.
Wow. How many second time visitors do they get at this church?
This is one of the largest churches in America and the largest in Indiana, unfortunately.
It’s jerks like this that make all of Christianity look bad. His cheesy smile and “I still love you. Amen.” does nothing to soften his behavior, either. Like Doug said above, I wonder how many second time visitors they get, but also wonder how many stopped coming after this. The pastor of my church is NOTHING like this guy. We once had a guy fall asleep in church and start snoring–loudly. Pastor Joel, and most of the congragation, couldn’t help but softly laugh, so finally Joel told someone near the man the just gently nudge him and not make a big deal out of it. The man woke up and Joel went on preaching.
For the non-believers who have had bad experiences with people like this jerk, please know that not all Christians seek to judge and condemn others. We truly seek to know God and His desires for us, but we love our non-believing friends and family with all our hearts.
Yeah, my dad is a pastor. I’ve never seen anything like this guy before. I really can’t understand his harshness, not to mention downright unchristian rudeness. Hard to believe.
and the talkers unchristian rudeness to talk while the word of god is being spoken, that is ungodly, self righteous, selfish, rude behavior. his talking was obviously distracting the preacher, and was probably distracting those around the talker. it may have been nicer to pull him aside after the sermon and talk to him about it, but considering how he had to tell him to stop multiple times i doubt he would have stopped doig it, it was just downright disrespectful. im not even a christian and i see this.
Since when did GOD talk about a bankrupt cheese maker in Chicago? It was merely the word of a self righteous, egotistical windbag using god as an excuse to put HIMSELF on a pedestal, that was being talked through.
Seems to me like you’re the self righteous, egotistical windbag here, judging the quality of the speaker with the couple seconds of sermon you heard. Maybe you should go to church more often, because you seem like you need it.
To smarter than you too:
So it’s alright for everyone to judge the talker even though we don’t know what they were saying or the situation they were in, but its NOT ok to judge the pastor who was completely disrespectful to a member of his congregation?
And PLEASE do not tell people they should go to church. What about this video would make anyone want to go to church?? Do you not understand that videos like this and comments like YOURS are exactly what is turning so many people off to the idea of church and Christians?
Except you have no idea what the other guy was talking about. Neither nor the preacher knows whether it was a family emergency or something else. The preacher needs to get over himself and give respect if he wants to get any respect back.
Yeah…well…that happened…
People are weird
Wow. So much could be said…
I wonder if he ever finished his story about the guy in the cheese business?
“Stop interrupting me when I’m preaching ( I mean telling a story)!!”
And I hope he’s not at Hyle Anderson’s school too… but that’s just me.
:)
I thought the same thing–for his sake, I hope he’s not attending there!
I think speaking during a sermon is soooo rude. I applaud the preacher calling him out. I think he was assertive, brief and not overly harsh. He’s protecting God’s word. If you want to have a chit chat you might want to that somewhere else.
Emma:
He was telling a story about a man in the cheese business.
The talker deserved what he got…anyone that went to that church more than once..deserves it.
A friend of mine in high school was yelled at in a similar way from the pulpit for speaking during the sermon, what the preacher did not know was that her contact had something in it which caused her eye to feel like it was on fire. Looks can be deceiving. Being “slow to wrath” is still a qualification for elders.
“Their lips draw near to Me but their hearts are from Me”
I’d have to say it makes me glad he isn’t my daddy OR my pastor.
As a preacher, I gotta say, there are loads of legit reasons why someone might have to lean over to a friend and say a couple of words, and that ain’t a problem.
But, when someone is having a full out convo whil your speaking, boy is that off putting, rude and hard to understand, and it happens way too often.
I’d never react like this guy, it does come off a little ungracious, and the ‘alter’ stuff is silly but we don’t know the nature of the guys ‘Talking’
If it was a visitor I would almost certainly say nothing, But if it was a regular I would try to get eye contact with either person in the convo and let it linger, usually does the trick…
He did say “You reap what you sow”. I wonder what he sowed.
1) In Jesus’ time the religious “preachers” of his day were the ones that had him executed.
2) He went into the temple (church) and overthrew money-changers tables (businessmen) just before they decided to execute him.
3) In Communist countries the preachers were the ones that most of the time informed the secret police of truly dedicated Christians. Then the Christians, from their congregation, would be routinely imprisoned/tortured/executed.
4) In America today pastors and preachers are like “sheep” on the outside but inside are “ravenous wolves” as Jesus said beware of. He said many teachers would come in his name, but would not be truly of him.
5) Many times in America preachers are exposed to be frauds. They are set in there positions by the governing bodies. This is similar to how the communist pastors get there. Businesses send a person into a church leadership position to better themselves through the constant guilt-trip that the pastors/preachers send about not tithing.
In conclusion, most of the pastors/preachers today in America (hopefully not all) are really just wolves looking for their next meal. Anyone with a heart that loves the one, true God of the Bible looks at these men in pure disgust. I know because I am one of them.
PS3Gamer,
I would not say “most” preachers are wolves. I’d like to think that “most” preachers are sincere. Of the many pastors (about 50) I know personally I’d say a good 90% are humble, faithful and loving men. Of the 10% that are not I’d still say for the most part they are at least sincere. Maybe 1 out of 100 are true wolves, and they happen to get more press. Furthermore many preachers are bi-vocational. You have to make a lot of sacrifices to be a bi-vocational minister, and keeping your foot in the “real world” helps to promote humility.
He clearly thinks himself very important. As a Christian, this is another video that is just painful to watch.
Ewww! How tasteless. Somebody give that guy a snickers!