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Bill Gates saving for a Lamborghini…and then responding to skeptics

August 12, 2011 | By Abraham | 110 comments

This funny little image has been making the rounds…

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    1. Jesse says:

      Ava, you’re tragically misinformed. Vaccines save lives. The science proving this is well above rebuke. Get educated and turn off the cable news fright channels.

      1. debra says:

        The research that claimed vaccines were dangerous was shoddily done and has been repeatedly disproved. Gates and his foundation did a very good thing, and many lives will be saved through his work — which is better for humanity than sitting on the internet talking crap about the good works of others.

        1. Vee says:

          Actually, it depends. Many ”Cocktails” (Multiple vaccines in a single shot) in young children can cause a lot of damage, and I can’t quite remember what condition it is, but there has been links found with vaccination in children and a mental disability, I think it was Autism. If you want to disagree, talk to my friend who lost his son because a cocktail caused his son to need hospitalization, and because the doctors didn’t want themselves to blame, put it on the parents by claiming SBS (Shaken baby syndrome). Also, due to us vaccinating EVERYTHING we can find, humans
          1)Aren’t becoming naturally immune to anything, causing us to get sicker than we should with minor things
          2)When we do get things like chicken pox at an older age than we would without, it’s worse than had we gotten it as children.

          1. dg54321 says:

            No, vaccines do not cause “damage” and don’t cause autism. This has been proven over and over. Look up Penn and Teller Bullshit Autism on Youtube and watch. They make a very concise case that explains even if vaccines DID cause autism, the benefits so far outweigh any imaginary risk that it’s laughable that people wouldn’t vaccinate based on that fear. The real fear was before vaccinations were popular and several of your kids would have died from things like polio. That’s part of why people had 10 kids, because you knew some would die from diseases and other causes, it was inevitable…..these mothers who freak out over false claims of autism wouldn’t know what to do watching their child die of a horrible disease and knowing there was nothing you could do about it…..

          2. Amara says:

            The link between vaccinations and Autism has been studied in recent years since one celebrity brought it up, and blamed it for her son’s Autism.

            The reason there was originally thought to be a link between Autism and vaccines is because Autism can be first recognized and diagnosed around the same age that you get this vaccine.

            Recent studies have shown no correlation between the two.

          3. Missy says:

            Amara to claim that many, many well informed parents of children with autism believe there to be some kind of link between vaccines and autism because ‘some celebrity said so’ is insulting and shows your ignorance on a very complex topic. If only it were that simplistic.

            Either way, this is not the forum for such a debate.

          4. asdf says:

            The doctor who conducted the only research ever that showed a connection between vaccines and autism later admitted that he made it up. He was stripped of his right to practice medicine and I think he may have actually killed himself a few years ago over it. Good riddance. There’s no telling how many people have and will continue to die as a result of morons like VEE here precipitating these ridiculous rumors just because her friend couldn’t control her temper.

          5. Mel P says:

            Unfortunately I live in a country that still has third world illnesses because of the anti vaccine feeling. The autism link was found to be the “scientist’s” theory and he skewed the results to prove it. It was totally unfounded. The results of vaccination far outweigh the risks. I’m terribly sorry for your friend. It’s a terrible terrible thing, but extraordinarily rare.

          6. Who Cares? says:

            The thing that people never look at is whos conducting the tests and even then everyone has there price. i haven’t been to the doctor/hospital in 8ish years and im great! you know how i know because i trust what i feel in my own body over what any doctor thinks because when you get down to the core of it doctors are just a different type of salesman not truly treating just….. covering up

          7. Jeff Brockman, DC says:

            Vee, you are absolutely correct. Also, lots of childhood diseases prepare our bodies for future inflammatory disorders. By vaccinating our kids for every damn thing, we are compromising their future natural immunity and setting up whole generations for prolonged chronic illnesses. If there is an epidemic or pandemic then vaccinations are called for, otherwise stay the hell away from the monkey liver pus and thimerisol (mercury-containing preservative).

          8. Oli Ash says:

            Any one who chooses not to get vaccinated is plain stupid. people are being vaccinated against illnesses that will potentially kill them, or seriously affect them, not “every damn thing”. getting chicken pox at an older age is irrelevant to vaccinations, what you’re talking about is Shingles, and has nothing to do with vaccinations.

          9. Mike says:

            Okay….. let me put this to bed. As the PARENT of a SEVERELY autistic child (12 years old at this post), You better believe that I’ve probably done more research and dealt with this issue more than most, if not all, of the people on this forum. Fact is, there WAS a suspicion that autism was caused by childhood vaccines. They have since all but proved that this is not the case. There are just about an infinite number of types and levels of autism that a person can have, my daughter is one of the worst. The truth is, NO ONE knows exactly what causes autism, and to tell the truth, I doubt anyone ever will. But AS the parent of one of these children, I can agree that anyone who would deny thier child his/her early vaccines is pretty much a moron, and unfit to parent. You’re ASKING for your child to get a disease that not only will probably KILL THEM…. they are diseases EASILY prevented by these vaccines. As far as them causing autism, or any other ailment, for that matter…. I suggest you start doing some REAL research before you open your mouth about something that you know nothing of. I commend this man for all his good works. I wish that all those that had money would do things like this.

          10. Dylan says:

            That is actually 100% false. The doctor who invented those claims even admitted to falsifying his data. There is 0 factual link between vaccinations and any mental illness.

            1) This is also false, humans have millions of natural immunities. We vaccinate against illnesses that kill before our bodies can produce antibodies.

            2) Chicken pox can kill anyone at any age. It’s always been more fatal in adults than in children, but this has nothing to do with vaccines. In any case, the risks associated with not giving a vaccine when available is always worse than getting the illness the vaccine is designed to prevent.

            Frankly, you’ve simply bought into a myth. As I said, there is no proven(or even suggested based on data) that vaccines have anything to do with autism. Some people have bad reactions, but to say we shouldn’t have vaccines because of those rare cases is ludicrous. This isn’t the dark ages and we have medicine for a reason.

          11. wyattth1 says:

            1)vaccines by their nature cause the body to create its own antibodies in preparation for the virus in the future. they promote NATURAL IMMUNITY.
            2) the act of catching chicken pox when you are young is the same thing as using the vaccine, both expose you to the virus (vaccine in a smaller dose), then your body creates antibodies so that you will have no reaction to the chicken pox virus later in life. if you are not exposed to chicken pox or the vaccine early in life you will have bad symptoms later on in adult hood but there is no reason to make children suffer through an illness that can be prevented through vaccination
            3) take a 1/2 hr class in what vaccination is and how it promotes your bodies own immune system before you comment.

          12. heather says:

            Some kids can have reactions to vaccines, as with any medication there are possible side effects, though most severe ones are uncommon and can be dealt with. Tha autism link has been proven to be a scam. My son had some pretty serious reaction to a vaccine that made his arm swollen, red, and burning hot. However it was the firs time he reacted to one and I will continue giving him vaccines

          13. ProphetOfGood! says:

            All of you are moronic slaves to the New World Order! They put it in vaccines and cause us harm, they put it in our water, they modify our foods! WE’RE DOOMED!

          14. Tink says:

            The Wakefield MMR-autism alleged link was roundly disproved by multiple papers ages ago. The people behind the paper used methods that were unacceptable, and were proved to have had vested interests. Though I believe an equal, if not greater, share of the blame should be given to the media, for bad science reporting, sensationalism and plain inaccuracy. I’ve read the papers myself and the reporting is not supported by the raw science.

            And, incidentally, the scaremongering has indirectly resulted in the deaths of children in the UK because their parents didn’t vaccinate them against measles wanting to protect them from the possibility of autism. Unfortunately, measles can be fatal. We’re becoming victims of our own success – we’ve had antibiotics and vaccines so long many of us westerners have forgotten what it is like to live in fear of simple infections that can kill you. My extended family come from a less fortunate part of the world and they still have first-hand experience of losing children to preventable disease.

            Your argument about immunity in number 1) is invalid. We do not vaccinate against every little bug, but for diseases that kill or cause serious disability, and this has NO effect on how our bodies fight smaller infections (It’s arguable being too clean might, but that’s another conversation altogether). There is no vaccine for the cold, and we only give flu vaccines to those who would be in serious trouble if they caught it (e.g. asthmatics, the elderly, babies). We have eradicated smallpox, we are close to eradicating polio, we have decreased TB and made childhood diseases other than chickenpox (which is not serious) a thing of the past. Since the 80s we have slashed the incidence of many tropical diseases in places like Africa from millions to thousands through targeted vaccination techniques. We are saving millions of lives and improving the quality of billions of others by preventing illness.

            2) Ah, but each disease is different. Many childhood illnesses like measles are much more likely to be caught as a child, and be worse. I’d argue there’s nothing wrong with letting a child catch chicken pox, or even encouraging it, so they don’t get it more seriously as a grown-up (I’ve seen that happen and it sucks). But chickenpox is nothing like measles or any of the other diseases we actually vaccinate against. Why would countries spend billions on treating or preventing something that didn’t matter?

          15. Rachel says:

            Vaccines do not cause autism. Vaccines do not cause shaken baby syndrome. We are not vaccinating against everything we can find. Do some real research before prattling of stupid natural news bull.

          16. Hanno says:

            Sounds more like the parents didn’t want themselves to blame. I think doctors are generally better informed about those kinds of things than your average parent.

        2. heather says:

          And a least in America they stopped using mercury a long time ago. People are very misinformed.

        3. Dana says:

          *One* guy was caught doctoring his numbers. That’s not the same thing as disproving the idea. I think vaccines *can* prevent disease but they can *also* cause health problems with all the additional crap put into them. Not to mention, unless you’re bitten by a mosquito, nobody catches diseases by having them injected, so what’s it do to the immune system to have that happen? AND, if the vaccine isn’t strong enough, you wind up getting the illness *anyway*, which is why pro-vax people get mad at anti-vax people… because your shots *aren’t* one hundred percent, and you know it.

          In any case, it’s been shown that better-nourished people catch TB far less often despite being exposed to cattle on a regular basis. The reason kids in third-world countries “need” shots is because they’re starving. Get them decent food and see how quickly the epidemics collapse. Oh no, wait, that’s hard, and it doesn’t make Big Pharma any money. Whatever.

      2. DisinfoAgents? says:

        Quite plainly and obviously, vaccines are meant to kill. There is a speech given by Gates that says that world population will grow less because of vaccines.
        It’s impossible to support dumping mercury into little babies like that, unless you are one of the brainwashed masons.
        Jonas Salk spent his life working on eugenics and eliminating ‘undesirables’ then suddenly he comes up with a polio vaccine. Which gives people polio.
        The new name for polio is meningitis, so of course there is no more polio.

        1. daz says:

          Well there are reasons a population might grow less other than your inferred deduction that vaccines are genocide. He may have been alluding to the fact that families won’t have to reproduce as often because the survival rate of children increases with vaccination. Why would he say this? To counter-argue the nay-sayers who believe increased survival rate would have a negative effect due to overpopulation.
          Besides, without citations your points are moot, akin to those of conspiracy theorists. Dumping mercury into babies? Salk and genocide?
          Also look up the clinical diagnoses of both meningitis and polio before you go around looking like an idiot.
          Your assessment “plainly and obviously meant to kill” is plainly and obviously a load of carp.

        2. Tink says:

          Hahaha that’s funny! No, wait, you’re being serious. Find this speech by Gates where he admits he wants to kill everyone.

          Salk and Sabin’s efforts are the reason there are not millions of people sitting in wheelchairs or iron lungs right this minute. We have nearly eradicated Polio. Yes, one of the early vaccines carried a small risk of the virus re-activating yourself and you suffering polio as a result. It happened to be the more effective at the two for protecting people, but with a slightly higher risk. At the time there was little choice but to use it – you were nearly certain to catch it anyway!

          What the vaccine has actually meant was that a much smaller proportion of people caught polio, so that eventually it couldn’t spread and died out in most places in the world. No more polio = no more polio deaths. Incidentally, they don’t use that form of the vaccine now because the risks of getting polio from that vaccine would be greater than getting it in the general population. We have another slightly less effective but much safer vaccine that is now routinely used.

          Meningitis can actually be caused by any organism that happens to invade the meninges – most commonly in adults it’s caused by Neisseria meningitidis or Streptococcus pneumoniae, but which bug often depends on how old you are. Polio may cause inflammation of the meninges, but these conditions are two separate entities that may share a symptom. However, if you did your reading you’d know that.

      1. Brad Williams says:

        Uh, the right wing? Are conservatives really less likely to have their children vaccinated than liberals? Or did you mean that Right Wing people are in support of vaccines?

        1. Josh S says:

          In my experience most anti-vaxers are conservatives… though there’s always exceptions, as crazy is everywhere.

          1. Terry Wagar says:

            Yes, Brad, it is yet another conspiracy theory widely spread around my conservatives and other teabagger sorts like Glenn Beck and Michelle Bachmann.

          2. CG says:

            Whaaaaat are you people even talking about. I’m generally a conservative in most areas, and in my experience, it’s the left pushing the anti-science/anti-vaccine thing. It’s their whole “natural” mentality, along with “grow local” “eat organic” “GM foods are poison” etc.

          3. Kim says:

            I’m a conservative and we vaccinate. I don’t trust my doctor when she says vaccinate, but I’d trust THE SAME DOCTOR to treat my kid if we caught whatever it is that we should have vaccinated her against?? Sounds like fuzzy logic to me.

          4. Josh S says:

            @CG: I can see some of those folks falling for the anti-vax stuff, too. I was only speaking about the anti-vaxer’s I’ve met.

          5. Miranda says:

            I live in the S.F. Bay Area, and 95% of the anti-vaccine crowd out here are liberals, who still, in the light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, claim that “the corporations” and the “medical establishment” are conspiring to make their children sick, just for the money. However, I hear the same crap from conservatives I know in other parts of the country. In this case, stupid comes in varieties.

          6. Steve says:

            Good god, will you Yanks ever drop the “liberal vs conservative” arguments? From a European perspective there’s very, VERY little to tell between you. Even what you consider liberal is still right of centre to us, yet every page on the net is filled with Americans accusing one side or the other of being “liberal douchebags” or “conservative fags”.

            It DOESN’T MATTER who thinks vaccines are bad, the important thing is that they’re wrong and the science behind vaccines saving lives is thoroughly robust.

          7. EricMC says:

            Well, put Steve I totally agree.

            Also someone up the page mentioned something about hurting out natural immunity with vaccines. Vaccines are for things that will KILL you! its hard to build up an immunity to Hepatitis B.

      2. Deb says:

        How about the fact that I reacted to a vaccine and almost died? Or that my family members also experienced similar reactions that resulted in hospitalization? Or is that just hype? Yeah. You can trash talk the ‘anti-vax’ side all you want, but a near death experience was pretty convincing for me. Or maybe I was totally fine before I walked into the clinic, never had a problem with a shot before, and after the vaccine experienced a mysterious illness resulting in a four-day migraine, subsequent seizures and a recommendation from my doctor that i never get another vaccine. Surely that was totally unrelated to the completely safe, wonderful world of vaccines.

        1. Mandy says:

          If you were well read you would realize that there is a small, extremely small percentage of the population that can actually have a bad reaction to a vaccine – it’s like an allergy, 100% of the population isn’t allergic to allergies, but some people are. Nothing in this world is fail safe, yet vaccines have proven time and again to be a minuscule risk. I vaccinate my child because I would rather protect him from polio or measles than listen to some random woman who says she got sick from the vaccine, and her entire family, which if did happen, would have hit the news – most, if not all were probably coincidences. Which is the problem with the vaccine debate – things don’t correlate just because they happen at the same time. If a mosquito bites me and I get a migraine, one didn’t cause the other, they just happened at the same time. To think otherwise just because some person says so is ludicrous.

        2. ChrisFrenzy says:

          How about the fact that small pox, diphtheria, polio, tetanus, etc., etc., etc., actually do kill children. When left unchecked they kill many, many children. That we are all here having this conversation as adults is thanks in part to the power of childhood vaccinations.

        3. Tink says:

          Deb, I’m honestly sorry to hear that you had a bad reaction to vaccinations. It’s a statistically rare thing, but like the complications of any medical intervention, still a terrible thing when it happens.

          Not all health problems people experience around the time of their vaccines are necessarily related to them. I’m not doubting your case at all, just saying that it’s easy for people who are genuinely affected by something horrible to look for a ‘reason’ behind it where one doesn’t always exist, or it may not be the one we think it is. Perhaps there’s a family susceptibility to react a certain way to vaccines in your case? It’s certainly very unusual for people to report knowing lots of people who have serious reactions to vaccines.

          The point here isn’t that vaccination carries no risk – literally EVERY medical intervention carries some risk. The point is that usually, by definition, for vaccination to be safety approved and financially viable, it HAS to be less risky than the condition itself. No government would bother buying it if it didn’t prevent serious illness and death, and therefore save them bucks in the long term. That may be cynical, but there it is – the NHS is a master at calculating exactly how beneficial each treatment is before they allow it – they certainly wouldn’t waste time and money if it didn’t do something important.

          To put it another way, if we vaccinate 10,000 people, 1 might experience a bad reaction. But if we didn’t vaccinate anybody, there would be outbreaks of the illness which might kill as many as 3,000 of those same people (depending on which condition we’re talking about), or severely disable a large number. Nobody wants to be that 1 person, and it is obviously unfortunate for whoever is, but if there’s no vaccination, then we’ll all suffer the consequences. I take each vaccine knowing that there’s a very small risk I could draw the short straw, but equally if I don’t there’s a bigger risk I could catch the disease and suffer serious consequences from it.

          You’re free to not vaccinate, of course. But I’m just saying that if not enough of us do, you’re screwed, as well as us (or not as well as us, since we’ll actually have immunity). So your freedom to not vaccinate and be lucky enough to not suffer painful death or disability at the hands of preventable infection depends entirely on the willingness of others to do what you won’t. You only get a good deal (no risks of vaccines, no risk of the disease) because others are taking those risks to prevent it from spreading.

        4. Jeff says:

          How about the fact that I never reacted to a vaccine and was never in any danger of dying? Or that my family members experienced similar reactions that caused no visits to the hospital? Or is that just hype? Yeah. You can trash talk the ‘pro-vax’ side all you want, but an experience where I didn’t catch any of these life-threatening diseases was pretty convincing for me. Or maybe I was completely unprotected before I walked into the clinic, never had a problem with a shot before, and after the vaccine experienced no fatal illness and no recommendation from my doctor that I never get another vaccine. Surely that was totally unrelated to the completely unsafe, scary world of fatal, but preventable, illnesses.

    2. Dominique says:

      Yeah… I’ve gotten so many vaccines. My mom never lets me miss any. You don’t see me in the hospital for mercury poisoning. Ones that prevent illness (like the flu shot) actually give you some of the flu so your body can become immune to it. Other than that I don’t think there’s any “bad”(but actually good) stuff in it.

      1. Mike says:

        Don’t feed the trolls = Please stop saying things that are true that make angry, Christian-hating, liberals appear incorrect or *gasp* wrong. Because what is “wrong” anyway??

        1. Steve says:

          Quit it with the “OMG Liberals are evil”/”OMG Conservatives are stupid”!

          p.s. if you still believe in God, you’re a moron, regardless of whether you’re liberal or conservative.

          1. Tink says:

            Can we just be respectful in general? This has everything to do with misinformation, and nothing to do with which box you tick in the political or religious categories. I’ve met anti-vaccination advocates from various walks of life, and each have their own reasons for being wary. Of course some make more sense than others, but no status inherently ‘makes’ people stupid.

    3. absurd says:

      Vaccinations = Salvations
      Have you seen anyone die of measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, diphtheria, anyone lamed by the polio virus? You should thank your lucky stars you were born in an era of vaccinations. Ridiculous movement to stop vaccinating = my child swam in the pool, he has a rash, he wore a life jacket in the pool. Therefore I will stop putting on the life jacket.

      1. Mandy says:

        Unfortunately these diseases are coming back because of the anti-vaccine people. They don’t seem to understand that a vaccine that is proven to be safe is better than either a debilitating or fatal illness. :(

        1. booth says:

          lol natural selection. Those idiots will all die from the diseases and the smart ones who choose to vaccinate will all live :)

    4. Caleb says:

      A friend of mine (who’s wife had polio when she was younger) was very intent upon telling people the benefits of vaccines, especially the polio vaccine. He said that in North America where so many diseases have been entirely, or nearly, eradicated because of vaccines (like small pox and polio), there was a greater chance of a person catching the disease through the vaccine than through other means.
      So are vaccines dangerous? Yes, because a form of the actual disease is being injected into a person’s body. Do they help eradicate deadly diseases? Yes, small pox has been eradicated! Are evil doctors planning to kill of the population by poisoning vaccines? What? Do I have to answer this question?
      My thoughts: Vaccines should be used whenever necessary, especially when a person is at risk. If you are going to a place where there is a high risk of Yellow Fever, get the vaccine! Vaccines should never be forced. I think there is however, a rush to vaccinate everything: I don’t think there is a huge need to vaccinate for chicken pox, as it is not a very dangerous disease. Also, with STD vaccines, why force someone to get the vaccine when they have no intention of being sexually active? If a person is or intends to be sexually active then get the vaccines. As for the flu vaccine, I personally have not received it, nor do I intend to, as I have only caught the flu once before, for me the risks outweigh the benefits.

        1. Missy @ It's Almost Naptime says:

          Actually, the MMR, which is the suspicious vax, is a live virus, among others. It indeed can cause disease, which is why people who are immune compromised such as those with AIDS have to be very careful and take precautions when receiving vaccines lest they do develop the disease they are trying to prevent. Since many if not most children with autism are also immune compromised, it is a logical correlation that it could affect them negatively as well.

          Not ALL children – but for those who are predisposed to autism and were probably experiencing minor symptoms of it already, overloading their immune system with vaccinations can be too much of a shock to their systems and catalyst the symptoms of the disease that yes, they already had. It also explains why probiotics, which restore the immune system, are working wonders in some children with autism.

          Did I help to inform you a little?

          I thought all parents who were anti vaccinations were wackadoo until my own baby girl had a SEIZURE on the doctor’s table immediately following her MMR. Watching that happen to your child will cause you to get informed. Therefore, I delayed her second MMR until she was 5 since she obviously had an adverse reaction as a one year old.

          You don’t have to agree with the hypotheses. But it is one postulated by parents of those who have autism, whom I guarantee you are among the most informed regarding the disease on the planet, who are neither ignorant nor “trendy” by any stretch of the imagination.

          1. glugluglug says:

            actually, as has been mentioned before I think, they ARE ignorant of the incredibly robust and well supported science that states that such hypotheses relating vaccination to autism are complete bunk.

            just because they researched shit on the internet and found a scapegoat doesn’t mean they are well informed

          2. Tink says:

            Missy, I’m sorry to hear about your daughter. This is not just platitudes, but reminds us all that parents sincerely want what’s best for their child, and will do what they believe, with the knowledge they have, is the best thing.

            As has been mentioned upthread, there will always be some risks with vaccinating. Much like allergies, for some reasons that are complex, some small number of people will react badly. It’s not your fault that this happened, it must have been terrifying to go through that and then choose how to continue with vaccinations. I know that even with my own scientific background if the same happened to me I would do a lot of thinking.

            I’m not saying parents of autistic children are ignorant, or necessarily clutching at straws, but all of us as people have a desire to make sense out of chaos, to find patterns where there may be none, and to find a reason for things that happen in our lives especially if they lead to loss. When you have a child that is struggling, suffering, I can’t imagine the desperation that puts these parents in, I know the parents whose kids have autism that I know are among the strongest people I have ever met. If i was in their shoes, who knows, I might also feel the same way, so I certainly don’t blame even those whose evidence is shoddy for this belief or this passion. But suspicions (whilst sometimes on the ball) are not enough to prove anything, nor are they scientific or to be taken as more plausible than actual proved evidence. None of us get special permission to bend evidence or be an authority without training because it affects us strongly or we feel personally about it. I am sure these parents do a lot of research but much of the information out there on the net is simply erroneous. Unfortunately many parents don’t necessarily have the time, access or critical appraisal skills to go to the original source literature and weigh it all up for themselves (it’s a hard task even for those in science, often enough). This certainly doesn’t make them stupid or bad parents, but it means that their sincerely held convictions may not necessarily be correct, because they are as likely as anyone else to be misinformed or come to conclusions out of desperation. They’re hard-working, loving, capable people but they are human, too. It’s not their job, nor their responsibility to pronounce on science as if they’re a committee of researchers and professors, and I would not do them the injustice of forcing them into that role.

            These children you mentioned weren’t just ‘predisposed’ to autism, they were already on the path to it. It just happens that autism takes a certain amount of time to start to become apparent, because we can’t tell if a child is autistic until they are old enough to demonstrate certain social skills. There’s no evidence to suggest that

      1. Mandy says:

        STD’s can be transmitted through various means, not always through sex. That is misinformation. Most can be passed through blood, so if let’s say a teacher is infected with hep and he has an open wound that may leave blood somewhere, any person with an open wound is at risk. Also, the vaccine for chicken pox is to protect those who have not had a vaccination or who have never contracted chicken pox in their life – if an adult ended up never getting it contacts a child with it, they get shingles which is not only very painful, but potentially fatal. The whole point of vaccines is to create herd immunity and to eradicate the disease so vaccines can stop. Picking and choosing is a person’s right, but at the risk of other’s peoples lives.

    5. Calum says:

      Vaccines are made up of DEACTIVATED bacteria, resulting in your bodies immune system to create defenses necessary for future incidents.

    6. Juwasp says:

      Congrats – you’re an idiot. People who think like this are why diseases that were previously all but extinguished are suddenly making a comeback. Stupidity of this caliber really should be illegal, somehow.

    7. Irena M says:

      Dear Ava,
      You belong to the group of people that keep telling me that water is not good, that an air is not good, that the food is not good, that antibiotics are not good. Please, stay within your group and do not spread any more idiocy…

        1. Amber says:

          They will always find you, Abraham. They lurk in the darkness, waiting for one small word to act as a catalyst to spread their message of bad science and government conspiracies.

  1. Daniel says:

    Wait a minute….He’s a rich corporate jet flier (I assume)… Shouldnt he be “giving” his $10 mil to the US govt. so they can keep their entitlement programs running?

    I mean seriously, spending your own money to save kids lives instead of giving it to Oba…er…Washington to wast…er…use? Cmon Bill! Get a clue! (insert heavy sarcasm)

    Ps…more on topic, I wish I could save money that fast.

  2. Anna says:

    That’s the entertaining thing about this blog’s readership: you never know what’ll set ‘em off. Comments are generally interesting and witty, until there’s mention of ‘controversial’ topics like women’s rights to vote or vaccinations, and be prepared to have to pick your jaw up from the floor as you read the commentary.

    1. Josh S says:

      Anna, I really hope you’re not suggesting women should be allowed to vote AND administer vaccines at the same time!

      1. Anna says:

        Josh, my bizarre syntax said women’s rights to vote or vaccinations: a woman may either vote or get vaccinated. A vaccinated woman in the voting booth — I shudder to think!

  3. Wow says:

    Sign the world is fu%ked? Taking a Bill Gates joke and forming it into a political debate. I believe BOTH Cons and Libs are running the U.S. Just run. Run as fast as you can.

  4. Will says:

    Meanwhile, Steve Jobs never donated a single cent to charity, and in fact shut down all of Apple’s charitable and humanitarian activities when he rejoined the company in 1997. Bet Steve is wishing they had iClouds in Hell right about now!

    1. lechatnoir says:

      I have to say that after reading all of the comments and carefully deliberation…. This is my favourite of all.

  5. unbound says:

    Found where at least some of the crazies hang out.

    Anti-vaxxers, anti-Obama, and logical fallacies galore.

    But where are the anti-abortionists and the UFO believers? Shouldn’t they have a chance to weigh-in too?

    1. Courtney says:

      This is probably the dumbest comment I’ve encountered on this blog. Step out of your box for Christ’s sake. The only mention I’ve seen of Obama is half of his name. YOU want to talk about logical fallacies? Pathetic.

  6. Humans... -.- says:

    Fact: 80% of the time, comments left on 22 words’ shared items are funnier than the actual item.
    Fact: 15% of the time, they’re over-reactions to an item.

    This is the 15% of the time.

    1. Courtney says:

      Fact: You made that up.

      On a side note, I wouldn’t call this an overreaction. Ava just twisted the subject around and the other commenters ran with it.

      But I see your point :)

  7. Humans... -.- says:

    I wasn’t responding to ava actually, I was responding to all of the people who don’t take this like it should actually be taken. This is not a political debate, it is a picture of someone who actually cares about other people. I don’t see why humans would get so mad about someone trying to help vaccinate children…

  8. Tara says:

    When I read the part about vaccines I was like “Uh oh!”, immediately knowing the entire comment thread would end up a futile debate. *sigh*

  9. J says:

    Yes, because Bill Gates and the UN have a giant moral compass for doing only “good things”. Because population control is just a facade…

    Excuse me while I go laugh hysterically at all of the “pro vaccine” Kool aid drinkers.

    1. Tink says:

      Logical fallacy much? The moral compass of the party is completely logically irrelevant to the moral good of a particular act itself. If Darth Vader adopted a homeless kitten and cared for it well for the rest of its life, that might not make him less evil, but his being evil would not change the beneficial effect on the cat. Vaccines have saved billions of lives over history, the vested interests of those at the top may be many, but they don’t change that fact.

  10. Dave says:

    Vaccines will cause the end of the human race. One way or another. Either by overpopulation, or by causing super-viruses, as is already the case in farming where sheep are treated for worms as standard and now the worms are immune to the treatment. It was in the Economist, and has been a well known fact in farming circles for years.

    1. Tink says:

      So if we don’t let viruses kill us and vaccinate, they will eventually… kill us? I don’t see how that means that they make things worse – only that they might lose their usefulness and that we might eventually be back where we started. Unless something new comes out. So not so much causing the end as perhaps delaying it, in the worst case scenario. Comprehension fail.

    1. Tink says:

      Eh, who says you *have* to take flu shots? How often do people actually *die* of flu? Here in the UK they only recommend the flu vaccine to those that may theoretically suffer serious consequences from the flu, like asthmatics, or diabetics, or the elderly. And healthcare professionals so hospitals don’t get understaffed because half the team are lying in bed sick during the winter months, or passing it on to patients who it might tip over the edge. I’ve seen people in this group suffer the flu, and boy, did they need that shot!

      Not everybody actually needs every treatment, or every vaccine – but that’s not to say they’re not useful. If you’re lucky enough to get away without needing something, all the more reason to feel grateful that it exists for those who actually need it.

      1. mm says:

        lucky you didn’t get a flu jab here. . youd be zzzzzzZZZZzzzz.. falling asleep all the time! .. Everyone going on about MMR and autism…but what about Pandemix and Narcolepsy! Not against vaccination but don’t see why you can’t provide the vaccines separately if there’s so many against MMR. in UK at least the government is just as much to blame for resurgence of measles.

  11. Bugsie says:

    Mercola is a whackjob conspiracy theory site, it’s not researched information or actually based on any science, just anecdote and hearsay rubbish. As someone with an actual science degree and also immune compromised, vaccines are the best thing for myself to ensure I stay healthy. I’m sick of anti-vaccine nutters actually getting the spot light.

  12. Hugh says:

    It seems that people are really confusing vaccines with antibiotics. Vaccines are like boot camp for your immune system. They train the immune system on the best way to attack and kill viruses by introducing weak, dead and in some cases altered viruses to practice on. On the other hand antibiotics are basically poison for bacteria. This is why we are having more problems with the so called “super” illnesses. If you leave the same poison out for any other pest they will eventually become immune. Same premise here. Like many of our medical treatments, antibiotics work because we have more cells than the bacteria. We can lose thousands in the process of killing it and its buddies one. But as they become immune we have to develop strong stuff that means we are losing more too. When a virus mutates we simply have to catch a few more, hurt, kill or alter them, and once again point out the weak spot to our immune system. This way it less time for immune system to attack the healthy version of the virus and the battle is over before we are ever aware we were exposed.

  13. Mal says:

    Before vaccination:
    Children died or were left crippled by polio
    children died of measles, some lived, but went blind, or were brain damaged
    children died of the mumps, or survived but were left sterile
    children died of chickenpox, or were left horribly scarred
    children, and adults, died of smallpox, the majority of survivors were left scarred.
    women caught rubella during pregnancy, and miscarried, or gave birth to severely damaged infants.
    These diseases were common, with epidemics occuring every few years, often killing thousands before the epidemic ran its course.

    These illnesses killed thousands every time there was an epidemic. They were not minor illnesses – they were terrifying. Parents who oppose vaccination seem to assume that with modern medicine, their child would recover quickly and completely from any illness. That isn’t necessarially true – all of these diseases still kill. A child who gets polio still has the same risk of being crippled, though more of the worst cases would live with modern life support, albeit incurrably paralysed and dependent on life support. There are still a few polio patients alive from the last epidemic in europe who’ve been on lifesupport in the hospital for more than fifty years.

    1. Isabel says:

      I would much rather live in a world without needless death or disability of children occurred due to vaccine preventable diseases. As a child I had to be hospitalised due to pneumonia, it was scary because I wasn’t breathing properly. Now many types of pneumonia are now vaccine preventable. Vaccination is a marvel of modern medicine.

      There are anti-science crazies everywhere. Whether they are anti-vaccine, anti-fluoridation, anti-GMO, creationists – their ideas and attitudes never change.

  14. darj says:

    Obviously vaccines arent outright lethal because everyone would be dead or gravely ill if that was the case.
    Every person responds to vaccines differently based on their genetic make up and pre-disposition.
    Vaccines are in fact unnecessary and can be harmful. How can anyone justify giving a newborn baby a mixture of chemicals when their immune system isnt even matured?
    Bill Gates is a eugenicist who openly talked about using vaccines to lower global population. Look it up, he gave a speech at TedTalks, presents a formula for CO2 emissions and then points out how number of people is the variable we need to lower then transitions into talking about vaccines. Coincidence?

  15. Ctf says:

    Maybe if we didn’t accept a system that enables 1 person to accumulate 10 billion dollars then the health of the poor wouldn’t be reliant on the whims of the super-rich. Maybe he’ll change his mind next week and plump for the lambo.

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